[OSM-talk] Long tail challenges - was: Re: Bitcoin Spam

[Jaakko Helleranta.com]

Gotcha.
I think we're taking mostly about same things... If there's no office or
shop (or a warehouse or something tangible, PO box not being enough)
there's no space for our in OSM db.

I may have over reacted partly because I've both heard of and dealt with a
number of people who have found it difficult to add their business location
to OSM-talk. And the entries that they've added have often been less or
often more crappy - just like the entries of so many new n00bs'.

It's also good to remember that business names sometimes do contain what
seems to be classifying info (Hotel Astoria, Sydney's Opera house, Catedral
de Managua, etc).

In any case, perhaps I'm just wanting to ask that we try to assume good
faith as much as possible. Our learning curve exists and is doing well,  so
to say.
So, let's try not to scare away new contributors / projects that are
driving new contributors.

Cheers from undermapped Nicaragua where Foursquare has thus far clearly
been much more successful in getting POIs mapped (with decent accuracy)
than OSM (because of a range of things of course),
-Jaakko

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On Dec 3, 2013 7:02 PM, "Frederik Ramm" <frederik at remote.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 03.12.2013 23:50, Jaakko Helleranta.com wrote:
> > And perhaps we should have better documentation /
> > stated policy on adjectives / tone of the description tag?
>
> Clearly anything in there must be verifiable on the ground. "20 years of
> experience" or "satisfaction guaranteed" are hardly ;)
>
> > I would only consider it spam if it doesn't actually exist in reality or
> > perhaps if it is grossly misplaced (to the extent that it is clear that
> > no one even tried to place it right.
>
> I'm wary of such POIs where the location may be correct but of no
> interest. If they are a mail-order firm or a spiritual movement and
> place a POI at their registered address for the sole purpose of getting
> their name and telephone number and Facebook URL and Google+ URL and
> E-Mail and web site into some kind of dictionary, but if you went to the
> actual location you'd not be able to conduct any business or even find
> more than a mailbox, then I'd say they shouldn't have a place in OSM.
>
> I agree it's a grey area - there might be a "restaurant" that *only*
> does delivery and if you go there you can't buy anything. Still, knowing
> the restaurant is next door might be an interesting information for you
> if you want food delivered hot. But why should our geo-database have the
> location of a desk from which someone coordinates food deliveries for
> people who order something on his web page, a location that is
> completely irrelevant to the business conducted and just serves as an
> anchor point for storing addresses and contact information?
>
> > Anyways. I think that having more people contribute - including people
> > whose main (primary) interest is to add only their business is good
>
> Reason I was concerned in this case is that I had the impression that
> what these people saw as "adding their business to Coinmap" was not
> really the same as what we see as "adding a business to OpenStreetMap",
> but piggy-backed process wise.
>
> Bye
> Frederik
>
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