[OSM-talk] Costa Rica & Panama borders

Felix Delattre maps at delattre.de
Sun Jun 23 18:32:34 UTC 2013


On 06/23/2013 08:43 AM, Pierre Béland wrote:
> contributor ArielRod24
> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ArielRod24> has repaired the two
> border relations and expressed his excuses on the changeset.
>
> see http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16641883
>  
> Pierre
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *De :* Felix Delattre <maps at delattre.de>
>     *À :* talk at openstreetmap.org
>     *Envoyé le :* Jeudi 20 juin 2013 18h38
>     *Objet :* Re: [OSM-talk] Costa Rica & Panama borders
>
>     In case a Spanish speaker is necessary I'm happy to help out. In
>     this case please contact me privately.
>     I live in Central America so I'd be able to understand and
>     "translate" local issues and realities, too.
>
>     Cheers,
>     Felix
>

I had contacted Ariel on Friday (in Spanish) and got an answer from him
yesterday explaining the issue. I attach the Spanish conversation here
and give you a quick and direct translation.


==Translation of Ariel's answer:==

On 06/22/2013 02:38 PM, ArielRod24 wrote:

Thanks for writing me. I don't have all the the knowledge managing OSM.
I didn't know about relations at all. Yesterday I went back to check the
new vector of the south border and the relations you asked me for. I'm
not sure if you can visualize these now.

I decided to delete the line (I didn't know about relations at this
moment), because first I had tried to correct it, but it was very
dififcult. It was easier to make a new line and conect it with the
others. It looks like I did it badly and I really didn't know better.
Yesterday I modified it again and I put the relations on the vector of
the new part of the southern border.

I don't know what you are meaning with the other ways. I don't delete
anything which wouldn't make sense to delete. Only really obvious
things, or in effect I haven't realized it, which I would not exclude,
but I doubt it. It could happen sometimes when the vectors are connected.

Thank you for contactingme and if you can not see the fixed borderline
please do not hesitate to tell me. I see that the issue seems has been
normalized, I don't see any missing part in my browser anymore and my
new line is visible but on a more precise scale belor the other.


==Spanish conversation==

On 06/22/2013 02:38 PM, ArielRod24 wrote:
>
> Hi xamanu,
>
> ArielRod24 <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/ArielRod24> has sent you
> a message through OpenStreetMap with the subject Re: Frontera entre
> Costa Rica y Panama:
>
> ==
>
> On 2013-06-21 20:29:06 UTC xamanu wrote:
>
>     Hola Ariel:
>
>     ¡Primero te quiero mandar un gran saludo! Es lindo ver que haya
>     gente en Costa Rica mapeando y contribuyendo a OpenStreetMap. He
>     estado bastante en Costa Rica, de hecho llevé un curso de SIG en
>     la UCR y fuimos a mapear a la peninsula de Osa.
>
> Gracias por escribir. No soy muy conocedor de todo el manejo de OSM.
> No sabía lo de las relaciones. Ayer supuestamente volví a fijar en el
> nuevo vector de la frontera sur las relaciones que me pidieron. No
> estoy seguro si uds las pueden visualizar.
>
>     Pues, te escribo por el problemita de las fronteras. Al parecer
>     has hecho unas mejoras de la frontera, lo cual es muy apreciado.
>     Pero al parecer hay un tuco de la linea de la fronteriza que
>     corregiste, que no esta declarada como tal. A las fronteras se les
>     asigna relaciones para saber que tipo de frontera es y para que
>     los sistemas sepan que es todo dentro del terretorio tico.
>
> OK. Supuestamente resuelto.
>
>     Algunas personas han visto eso y en la lista de
>     talk at openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk at openstreetmap.org> se esta
>     hablando del tema:
>     http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-June/067304.html Y
>     Pierre te había contactado directamente como autor de los cambios.
>     ¡Quisiera aclararte bien que no es nigún regaño! Sino queremos que
>     juntos mejoremos el mapa y en este momento hay que reparar la
>     frontera. Obviamente tu eres la persona adecuada para definir bien
>     la frontera, ya que al parecer sabes mejor que otros donde pasa la
>     linea fronteriza y quisieramos pedirte que corrigas el pequeño
>     error de la relacion que hace falta. O en caso que no te sientas
>     bien con las relaciones en OpenStreetMap que nos ayudes a poner la
>     frontera en su lugar mas correcto.
>
> Yo decidí borrar la línea (no sabia lo de las relaciones en ese
> momento) porque la intente corregir y era muy dificil. Era más fácil
> hacer otra línea y empatarla a lo restante. Parece que lo hice mal y
> no lo sabía. Ayer modifiqué y puse las relaciones al vector nuevo
> fronterizo sur que ya está agregado.
>
>     Tambien se ha observado que en el mismo cambio que hiciste cuando
>     cambiaste la frontera, que has borrado muchos otros caminos. Por
>     favor dejanos saber si eso fue con intención o algún error.
>
> No sé a qué te refieres con otros caminos. Yo no borro nada que no
> tenga sentido ser borrado, a menos que sean errores obvios, o que en
> efecto no me haya dado cuenta, hecho que no lo descarto, pero lo dudo.
> A veces eso puede ocurrir cuando los vectores están conectados.
>
>     ¡Muchas gracias por tu apoyo! Saludos. Felix
>
> Gracias por contactarme y si ves que no se ha mejorado la línea
> fronteriza me avisas. Yo veo que el asunto se ha normalizado, no lo
> veo faltante en mi navegador y mi nueva linea se ve pero a escala mas
> precisa debajo de esta.
>
> Saludos
>
> Ariel
>
> ==
>
> You can also read the message at
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/read/361546 and you can reply at
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/message/reply/361546
>


>
>
>     On 06/20/2013 03:39 PM, Pierre Béland wrote:
>>     I did contacted it twice. And also asked him to communicate with
>>     the list.
>>
>>     The first time, yeasterday, he answered that he had modified the
>>     way with better data. I sent a new mail this morning showing him
>>     the way that was removed from the two border relations and asked
>>     him to correct the two relations appropriately. 
>>
>>     I also asked him to  communicate with the list to report his
>>     success or to ask help.
>>
>>     It might help that somebody speaking spanish communicate with him
>>     to assure he understand properly the situation.
>>
>>      
>>     Pierre
>>
>>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>         *De :* Miloš Komarčević <kmilos at gmail.com>
>>         <mailto:kmilos at gmail.com>
>>         *À :* Aurélien FILEZ <kinju59 at gmail.com>
>>         <mailto:kinju59 at gmail.com>
>>         *Cc :* Talk Openstreetmap <talk at openstreetmap.org>
>>         <mailto:talk at openstreetmap.org>
>>         *Envoyé le :* Mercredi 19 juin 2013 17h06
>>         *Objet :* Re: [OSM-talk] Costa Rica & Panama borders
>>
>>         Aurélien,
>>
>>         I'd gladly do it for you, but there seems to be a bit of
>>         overlap and disagreement between ways 223414455 and way 31714963
>>
>>         You'd better contact member ArielRod24 who made the last
>>         changes with the border ways and relations to figure out
>>         which ones are correct.
>>
>>         Best regards,
>>         Miloš
>>
>>
>>         On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Aurélien FILEZ
>>         <kinju59 at gmail.com <mailto:kinju59 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>             The missing way for both country borders seems to be the
>>             way 223414455
>>
>>             But I don't know how to add it to theses countries
>>
>>
>>             On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 10:37 PM, Aurélien FILEZ
>>             <kinju59 at gmail.com <mailto:kinju59 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Hi,
>>
>>                 I saw than Costa Rica and Panama countries share a
>>                 same frontier which is not present in the relation.
>>
>>                 So both countries have a miss in their border polygons.
>>
>>                 Costa Rica relation : 287667
>>                 Panama relation : 287668
>>
>>                 I prefer report this to you to correct it than make a
>>                 mistake by myself ;)
>>
>>                 Sorry for my bad english,
>>
>>                 See you !
>>
>>
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