[OSM-talk] OSM France "BANO" project... openaddresses in France

[Imre Samu]

Hi Christian,

As I read OKFN article [1]  about BANO project ( November 17, 2014 )
It's not perfectly clear to me what it is the BANO license ?  ( only ODBL
or Dual licensed  ?   )

from the text [1]  :
Q:"The reached agreement includes a dual license framework. You can reuse
the data for free under an ODbL license,
     or you can opt for a non-share-alike license but you have to pay a
fee.  Is share-alike clause an obstacle for the private sector?
     .....
 "

[1]
http://blog.okfn.org/2014/11/17/an-unprecedented-public-commons-partnership-for-the-french-national-address-database/

regards,
 Imre



2014-05-24 17:02 GMT+02:00 Peter Wendorff <wendorff at uni-paderborn.de>:

> Hi Christian,
> (shortening the last message to comment on some parts only)
>
> Am 24.05.2014 16:04, schrieb Christian Quest:
>
> > BANO is not designed to be used as an import source for OSM.
> > It uses sources (opendata, cadastre) that can be imported in OSM.
> > These sources have been used over the past years and will still be used
> to
> > add addresses in OSM, one at a time, or street by street which will take
> > years before completion.
> >
> > So, BANO is there to allow to use all the available address data right
> now
> > without having to wait years to get them cleanly added to OSM.
> I agree - but why should anybody add the data manually to osm if it's
> even not visible any more where data is missing, as in Nominatim both
> sources look the same.
>
> > This has one good side effect... reduce the pressure on massive address
> > imports in OSM and give us the opportunity to improve the quality thru
> > survey prior to add it to OSM.
> I agree if you propose BANO as a data source for any private or third
> party setup of nominatim or openstreetmap data, but I oppose it to be
> used in the projects instances.
>
> Mappers detect errors and missing data while using these instances. I
> add missing streets occasionally after I failed to find them in OSM -
> using the map renderings, nominatim or other tools.
> I wouldn't even detect that they are missing when nominatim would return
> the results from another source.
>
> > 2014-05-24 12:58 GMT+02:00 Peter Wendorff <wendorff at uni-paderborn.de>:
> >> Adding it to (the osm installation of) nominatim on the other hand is a
> >> bad idea, I think:
> >> IMHO nominatim.openstreetmap.or should rely on OSM as a data source as
> >> pure as possible. Adding different data sets might be useful to add
> >> information not possible or out of scope of the osm database (like
> >> importance factors using the wikipedia links), but BANO is a different
> >> thing.
> >>
> >> If the BANO addresses are free and open enough for OSM, we should
> >> encourage to work on bringing them to the OSM database itself (provided,
> >> they are GOOD enough as well). How should anybody in France get
> >> motivation to collect more addresses for the osm database itself, if
> >> anything is available in BANO already?
> >>
> >
> > I'm pushing the french community to be more motivated on having all
> streets
> > and all streets name in OSM (BANO allowed us to detect 40% missing
> streets
> > or street names) more than adding addresses without surveying them.
> Great - but I fear, the availability of third data sources like BANO
> through the usual tools destroys motivation again, the motivation get's
> an extrinsic one, because the intrinsic need of mappers to get rid of
> errors and missing results using OSM is missing due to results returned
> out of the BANO data.
>
> > I agree to motivate to collect BETTER address data... it we collect the
> > same data with the same quality level it looks to me more losing our time
> > than anything else.
> Mappers are better than you might think.
> Collecting the same data with the same quality level is not possible.
> 1) the data is checked in reality => so survey on the ground increases
> quality with respect to errors.
> 2) the data is correct at the date of the survey => where it is done
> it's more up to date than any imported data, but of course only where it
> is done.
> 3) When a mapper goes out to add streets and house numbers, it's easy to
> collect any other stuff where there is no other data source available.
> post boxes, benches, vending machines, opening hours, surface of the
> streets and much more stuff that increases quality. In contrast
> importing data is restricted to the data contained in the data source.
>
> >> P.S: Of course this is not meant to deal with the software as such, but
> >> for the installations/instances "officially" part of OSM. Feel free to
> >> set up an BANO nominatim server to show the strength of BANO instead.
> >
> > In that case remove geonames and TIGER address search from
> > osm.org Nominatim instance.
>
> On osm.org Genonames is a different search result set, distinct from
> Nominatim, there are two different query results returned.
> This is a good way to go, and yes, it might an idea to do the same with
> BANO - but that's not what you proposed: it's not adding the BANO data
> to Nominatim.
>
> regards
> Peter
>
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