[OSM-talk] [Wikidata-l] [OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

Andrew Gray andrew.gray at dunelm.org.uk
Thu Mar 20 19:55:37 UTC 2014


If we have multilingual string datatypes coming, I take it back.
Hurrah! :-) (I hadn't realised that was on the roadmap).

Andrew.

On 20 March 2014 18:19, David Cuenca <dacuetu at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, that is one part of the problem, which could be addressed in Wikidata
> with a property "official name" with the datatype mono- or multi-lingual
> string (planned, but not available yet) plus the qualifiers start/end date.
> The other part of the problem is that for different periods of time you have
> different entities attached to geographic locations.
>
> For instance after the "Kingdom of Great Britain"
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q161885
>
> Came the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland"
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q174193
>
> Yes, the name changed, but it it not just a name change, it is a different
> entity.
>
> Cheers,
> Micru
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:43 PM, Andrew Gray <andrew.gray at dunelm.org.uk>
> wrote:
>>
>> I think the problem is that we sometimes need to reflect more than just
>> the single official name - at the moment we include multilingual names,
>> which is great, and it's a bit of a backwards step to lose that ability for
>> the past. Imagine if you're looking at an English or German map of Russia -
>> all the names rendered with nice Latin-script equivalents - and you say
>> "okay, show me a 1970s map", only for everything to become Cyrillic instead.
>> :-)
>>
>> It becomes more complicated if you have cases where the name changes in
>> some languages and not others, or countries with multiple official languages
>> where it changes in both.
>>
>> For example, we'd want to be able to record that in English the city of
>> Tsaritsyn became Stalingrad on a certain date, and then later became
>> Volgograd, just as we record that in Russian it went from Царицын to
>> Сталинград to Волгоград.
>>
>> However, as you can see at the moment, the "other names" are simple
>> strings with no dates or modifiers, so we can't convey this information.
>> (Switching the interface to a different language will display the
>> alternative names in those languages)
>>
>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q914
>>
>> Susanna: I'm not aware of what the plans are for this, but I'm reasonably
>> sure we can't do it right now. However, I'm not completely up to speed on
>> how dates/modifiers etc work, so someone on wikidata-l can no doubt correct
>> me :-)
>>
>> Andrew.
>>
>> On 20 March 2014 13:24, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >> Am 20/mar/2014 um 13:51 schrieb Andrew Gray
>> >> <andrew.gray at dunelm.org.uk>:
>> >>
>> >> Properties can have modifiers such as date, labels can't. So there's a
>> >> bit of a challenge here - we would be able to construct a field that
>> >> says "historic name : Warschau (date:1939-45)", but this would be
>> >> shown as a historic name in Polish, German, English, Chinese...
>> >
>> >
>> > maybe that's not a problem as this was indeed the official name in that
>> > time?
>> >
>> > cheers,
>> > Martin
>>
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