[OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board

Stefan Keller sfkeller at gmail.com
Tue Oct 21 22:49:53 UTC 2014


I wonder why we're discussing here everything else but what Frederik
mentioned in his manifesto and in this reply above.

Richard voted that the board should stand down.
I can't oversea the situation but I tend to give our colleages a
second chance to fix things.
I do that also knowing that OSMF is young with few members, many of
them being also members in WGs.

On 2014-10-21 15:47 GMT+02:00, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> ...
> In short, what I'd like to see is (a) more people joining OSMF, and (b)
> at least some these people actually following and commenting on what the
> board does, or doesn't do, in their name.

To me, actions speak louder than words.
So, I decided to join OSMF these days.
And I propose to add the following to the board meeting agenda:
* Setting up a clearer modus operandi of the board and working groups
* Making the board meeting agenda publicly available
* Advancing trademark policy
* Setting up a plan to get more corporate members
(actually, these points are just taken from Frederik's plea).

Yours, S.

2014-10-22 0:05 GMT+02:00 Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch>:
> Jason,
> I suspect you are slightly over interpreting what has been said up to
> now. Our accountant and the treasurer have control of the back accounts
> and I wouldn't expect to have direct access (nor likely other board
> members). The board has relied on the treasurer for cash management and
> I have no reason to believe that there are any issues with that other
> than it is not very transparent. Other points wrt financial planning and
> SOTM  have already been raised.
> Historically there seems to have been very little financial reporting,
> the board did however three years back or so, as a principle, ask for
> quarterly reports, which IMHO is enough given the size of the
> organisation and number of transactions. This has been a long time in
> the making, but our accountant does produce them now, there is simply
> some fail in bringing them to the boards attention (and a further step
> would actually be publishing them). Or to put it differently: the OSMF
> likely has never had as good control of its financials as right now,
> there is simply still more to do.
> There is an interesting point in that there is no external/internal
> audit of any kind. Not unusual for small companies, but is a bit unusual
> for a membership organisation. Very small SOSM for example has two
> (elected)  members review the accounts in lieu of a proper audit and
> report their findings at the AGM. I could imagine doing something
> similar in the OSMF (no idea if this causes any legal issues, but that
> can be investigated) given that we currently probably don't want to
> spend the money for a formal audit.
> Note that Oliver has announced (a couple of weeks back) that he will
> resign as treasurer and I expect that the board will elect a replacement
> or put an other solution in place at the first meeting after the elections.
> Simon
> Am 21.10.2014 22:37, schrieb Jason Remillard:
>> Hi,
>> This is an unhappy read. I am stunned that the board members don't
>> have access to the bank registers. How can any decisions be made about
>> the servers, STOM, fundraising effectiveness, etc without having a
>> handle on the cash? The foundation handles so little money, it should
>> be very simple keeping the bank registers up to date. Could our
>> treasure, Oliver Kühn , please justify this policy on the talk list. I
>> am going to be very reluctant to give more money to the foundation
>> until this policy is changed.
>> Jason
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Frederik_Ramm/2014_OSMF_Board_Elections_Manifesto
>>>> This sheds some rather bad light on how the board operates, indicating
>>>> that
>>>> some of the practises border on the illigal. I understand that this is the
>>>> individual opinion of a single board member but I believe it is important
>>>> that such accusations are discussed because I don't see how the board can
>>>> operate efficiently otherwise. It is even more important in the light of
>>>> the upcoming elections. Reading this manifesto indicates that there is
>>>> little point in standing for election as there is nothing but frustration
>>>> to achieve in the board.
>>> As a former board member, I would concur with Frederik's posting which
>>> tallies with my unhappy experience on the board.
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