[OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

[Warin]

On 19/11/2015 11:52 AM, john whelan wrote:
> HOT and OSM are slightly different, HOT maps on OSM but uses a simpler 
> more standardized approach.  Many of their volunteers often do not 
> know enough English to write a meaningful change set comment.
>
> HOT tends to map in areas that do not have a great deal of OSM mapping 
> already in place so I don't see that it really matters if they use 
> preset comments from the tile system.  The HOT comment gives you the 
> task and tile number so you can look up on the tile system where it is 
> and also what has been asked for.

Then why cannot the task / tile number be expressed in English?? As the 
location is already given, what is so hard about a simple statement of 
the 'what' for the changeset?
>
> Or are we now asking that all mappers on OSM have to be able to read 
> and write in English since that is the normal language for 
> communication in OSM or is one of the local African languages 
> sufficient.  If it is then I assure you I won't be able to understand 
> what it says.

I have no problem with an entry in ANY language. Wolf, French etc etc. I 
probably won't understand it directly ... but I can use a web based 
translator.
>
> I think one thing I like about HOT is the validation process, an 
> experienced mapper goes over the mapping and tries to eliminate as 
> many errors or mis-tags as possible and ensure that everything visible 
> in the image is mapped, and yes I understand armchair mappers are 
> looked down on by many mappers but the work they do is valuable in 
> many areas.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 18 November 2015 at 19:11, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org 
> <mailto:frederik at remote.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>        I would like to draw everyone's attention to a long-standing
>     community recommendation:
>
>     http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_changeset_comments
>
>     It explains why you should use sensible changeset comments that
>     describe
>     what you (think you) have been doing.
>
>     I don't know exactly who encourages this, but I am seeing lots of
>     changesets with comments like this:
>
>     #MissingMaps #hotosm-project-12345 Lubumbashi, Congo (DRC)
>     #100mapathons
>     #OSMGeoWeek
>
>     This is *not* useful. First of all, we're not Twitter; we don't
>     evaluate
>     these hashtags. I don't know if there are some downstream services
>     that
>     do, but if so, please switch to using a secondary tag (remember,
>     changesets, like other OSM objects, can have any number of tags).
>
>     As a reader of the edit history of a place, I am interested in someone
>     writing that they have traced buildings or drawn roads or done
>     whatever.
>     I'm not so much interested in (what I perceive as) vanity
>     hashtags, they
>     don't help me understand what the person did.
>
>     I mean look at this:
>
>     https://www.openstreetmap.org/history#map=6/8.418/43.923
>
>     It's really a caricature of what changeset comments were meant to be.
>
>     Can it be fixed somehow, or have we permanently moved from changeset
>     comments being aimed at your fellow human mappers to changeset
>     comments
>     being auto-generated for consumption by some software that makes sense
>     of them?
>
>     Bye
>     Frederik
>
>     --
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