[OSM-talk] OSM for government (joost schouppe)

Sat Feb 4 21:10:21 UTC 2017

Hi Joost, everyone,

You might have seen this already (http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/1433169/)  -
it's a little old now but it is a 2014 report I was involved in on
Crowdsourcing Geographic Information Use in Government and there are lots
of OSM related examples (some of which have been mentioned).

Peter

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> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 13:24:22 -0500
> From: john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
> To: Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com>
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> We have something similar in Ottawa, three bits of Government, Gatineau,
> Ottawa and a federal body called the NCC.  Each have their own maps that
> overlap of their paths for cyclists.  OSM is more complete than anything
> but all three do have Open Data with I understand designated cycle paths.
> They are difficult to map as many are not signed specifically for cyclists.
>
> Cheerio John
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> On 3 February 2017 at 13:13, Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > I cannot contribute cases where such a collaboration actually happened,
> > but two very practical examples where it would be extremely useful.
> >
> > Both regard bicycle aspects of OSM.
> >
> > In my part of the world (Italy) the regional administration has no
> > region-wide data on
> > - cycling infrastructure (bicycle paths and lanes)
> > - signposted touristic bicycle routes
> >
> > OpenStreetMap has much of this data already, it's not complete and it's
> > not always up-to-date, but it is far better than what the regional
> > administration has. I am trying to push this as a joint project of
> bicycle
> > associations and OSM individuals.
> >
> > Volker
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> Subject: [OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #341 24/01/2017-03/02/2017
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> The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 341,
> is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all
> things happening in the openstreetmap world:
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> http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/8683/
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> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 14:20:42 -0500
> From: James <james2432 at gmail.com>
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> I've noticed that the arrow for each segment seems to be a bit random and
> not actually pointing in the direction the camera is pointed in which can
> make it hard to determine which imagery is which
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> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 22:54:17 +0200
> From: Tomas Straupis <tomasstraupis at gmail.com>
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> Hello
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> 2017-02-03 15:44 GMT+02:00 joost schouppe wrote:
> > With the Belgian community, we're making some careful progress into
> getting
> > government to really integrate OSM/VGI into their data management
> efforts.
> > So not talking about background maps here, real data contribution or
> > community engagement.
>
>  Here's a general idea what we're doing in Lithuania.
>
>   Government has datasets d1, d2... dn. OSM has one big dataset O
> which could be split into datasets o1, o2... om. We take datasets dx
> and oy which could be mapped (have similar data, like placenames,
> roads, lakes, rivers, etc.)
>
>   Automated importing to either direction is impossible (or not wanted
> by both sides). Government datasets need strict accountability
> (sources, documents) and responsibility. OSM has different data and
> simply overwriting it with government data would be bad in a lot of
> ways.
>
>   So the way integration between OSM and government (and actually any
> other datasets) is done is by synchronisation - checking for
> differences and taking action (mostly manual) on them on both
> datasets. By doing a comparison both government and OSM datasets are
> improved. The point here is that government datasets usually use
> official (document) source to update data. OSM uses local knowledge to
> update data. None of these methods are perfect, so
> synchronisation/comparison helps to get most/best of both.
>   (as a separate note: here comes OSM strength that everything is in
> one layer - it is much harder to have a road going through a lake or
> building or having a street A with address B along it. Government
> datasets are usually separate and controlled by different
> institutions, so doing such topology checks is much more difficult
> there)
>
>   For this to work government must open datasets and appoint a working
> contact point where information about problems in government dataset
> could be sent and there this information is ACTUALLY used and feedback
> given.
>
> --
> Tomas
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> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2017 00:09:52 +0100
> From: Michael Andersen <osm at hjart.dk>
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> On fredag den 3. februar 2017 14.44.47 CET joost schouppe wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > With the Belgian community, we're making some careful progress into
> getting
> > government to really integrate OSM/VGI into their data management
> efforts.
> > So not talking about background maps here, real data contribution or
> > community engagement.
> >
> > There are some very specific issues and opportunities there. I believe
> the
> > Canadian Census is going that way. Are there any other projects in this
> > direction? Is there anything like a project catalogue around?
>
> An employee of the Viborg municipality (http://www.openstreetmap.org/
> relation/
> 1926898) working on a public "traffic security project" recently added
> maxspeed
> tags to all roads of his municipality based on data owned by the
> municipality.
> I spent some time cleaning up after his initial attempts as well guiding
> him
> the best I could. His plan is to proceed to add maxspeed data to all public
> roads in Denmark and just last night he posted on the danish OSM mailing
> list
> asking whether there's any way to automatically add all this data (of
> course
> receiving a bunch of responses to the contrary).
>
> Nordfyn municipality (http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2178137) sees
> potential in using OSM for a public project classifying cycleways and
> footways
> etc based on an internal classification system planned to be used all over
> Denmark. I had to practically roll back their initial attempt (how come
> they
> are getting employees with practically no computer experience save OSM
> ditto
> to do stuff like this?) , but I am currently in contact with them and will
> be
> guiding them as they proceed (they started adding some data again today).
>
> At least 2 public danish bus companies are using OSM for routing (I have
> been
> in contact with both of them) and both have been adding data to OSM in
> order
> to aid their efforts.
>
> A long time member of the danish community http://www.openstreetmap.org/
> user/
> Hammershoej is maintaining cycling routes in Denmark on behalf of the
> national
> danish road administration (based on data he's getting from them).
>
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