[OSM-talk] What can we offer local government?

[James]

Baby steps.... First you get people using OSM as background maps(instead of
google), then maybe people will start to see  that you can do a lot more
with OSM data than just a background map.

On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 9:41 AM, joost schouppe <joost.schouppe at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On the one hand, I find the use of OSM as a background map a slightly
> boring use-case. I'd like to see gov use actual data.
>
> On the other hand, it can actually be controversial within organisations.
> Because people will complain to the local government if they notice
> mistakes in the background map. So then government employees have to
> explain that that's not their job to fix, or maybe even actually fix things
> in OSM themselves.
> And you might also have a basemap built within the government services,
> which of course the data managers want to see used, if only to be able to
> get the public to point out mistakes.
>
> 2017-03-15 13:52 GMT+01:00 john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>:
>
>> Nice one James.
>>
>> Thanks John
>>
>> On 15 March 2017 at 08:38, James <james2432 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The city of Ottawa already uses OSM in their opendata portal:
>>> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/sledding-hills
>>> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/neighbourhood-names
>>> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/airport-runways
>>> etc etc
>>> But I doubt they know/care as their portal was built by a consultant and
>>> not them.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 6:31 AM, joost schouppe <
>>> joost.schouppe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> The page Clifford shared is of course an excellent resource (I started
>>>> the article :)
>>>> But your remarks are not very government-specific, so you probably
>>>> won't find an answer there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Both locations use more than one language.  Both seemed unaware that
>>>>>> the map can be in languages other than English.  Apparently politically
>>>>>> this can be very important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> There's many projects working on that problem. In Belgium we have a
>>>> famously complicated situation. Especially Brussels is interesting, where
>>>> both French and Dutch are used in the name=* field, split by " - " and with
>>>> language in more or less random order. We're working on mono-lingual tiles
>>>> to help with that:
>>>> http://tile.openstreetmap.be/#map=12/50.84366/4.39113
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Using R R.org apparently we can count things in the map.  Why anyone
>>>>>> would want to do this is a mystery to me but apparently statistians make
>>>>>> money from it so it must be useful to someone. Possibly local governments?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> There are many ways to count thing on a map :)
>>>> Just a random example: you might want to make a classification of
>>>> different kinds of neighborhoods (sleeper village, city center,
>>>> agricultural area, holiday area). You can do that completely automated for
>>>> a whole country using OSM data (if it is complete enough)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The contact from Ottawa was aware that the city paid for the maps it
>>>>>> used on some of their web sites but wasn't sure about using OSM instead,
>>>>>> the idea of not having a contract would be difficult to get across.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Well yes, and there is no such thing as a free lunch. There are limits
>>>> to the use of OSM.org tiles. Running your own tile server is often deemed
>>>> too complicated by local governments. For bigger websites, they will often
>>>> look at the likes of Mapbox.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Anyone any examples of how local government is using OSM?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> What Clifford said :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I understand part of the City of Ottawa, Ottawa Hydro does use OSM on
>>>>>> its web site by the way.  Something my contact was unaware of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> Typically, one branch of government has no clue what another branch is
>>>> doing.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>
>
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