[OSM-talk] What can we offer local government?

joost schouppe joost.schouppe at gmail.com
Wed Mar 15 13:41:19 UTC 2017


On the one hand, I find the use of OSM as a background map a slightly
boring use-case. I'd like to see gov use actual data.

On the other hand, it can actually be controversial within organisations.
Because people will complain to the local government if they notice
mistakes in the background map. So then government employees have to
explain that that's not their job to fix, or maybe even actually fix things
in OSM themselves.
And you might also have a basemap built within the government services,
which of course the data managers want to see used, if only to be able to
get the public to point out mistakes.

2017-03-15 13:52 GMT+01:00 john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>:

> Nice one James.
>
> Thanks John
>
> On 15 March 2017 at 08:38, James <james2432 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The city of Ottawa already uses OSM in their opendata portal:
>> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/sledding-hills
>> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/neighbourhood-names
>> http://data.ottawa.ca/dataset/airport-runways
>> etc etc
>> But I doubt they know/care as their portal was built by a consultant and
>> not them.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 6:31 AM, joost schouppe <joost.schouppe at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> The page Clifford shared is of course an excellent resource (I started
>>> the article :)
>>> But your remarks are not very government-specific, so you probably won't
>>> find an answer there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Both locations use more than one language.  Both seemed unaware that
>>>>> the map can be in languages other than English.  Apparently politically
>>>>> this can be very important.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> There's many projects working on that problem. In Belgium we have a
>>> famously complicated situation. Especially Brussels is interesting, where
>>> both French and Dutch are used in the name=* field, split by " - " and with
>>> language in more or less random order. We're working on mono-lingual tiles
>>> to help with that:
>>> http://tile.openstreetmap.be/#map=12/50.84366/4.39113
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Using R R.org apparently we can count things in the map.  Why anyone
>>>>> would want to do this is a mystery to me but apparently statistians make
>>>>> money from it so it must be useful to someone. Possibly local governments?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> There are many ways to count thing on a map :)
>>> Just a random example: you might want to make a classification of
>>> different kinds of neighborhoods (sleeper village, city center,
>>> agricultural area, holiday area). You can do that completely automated for
>>> a whole country using OSM data (if it is complete enough)
>>>
>>>
>>> The contact from Ottawa was aware that the city paid for the maps it
>>>>> used on some of their web sites but wasn't sure about using OSM instead,
>>>>> the idea of not having a contract would be difficult to get across.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Well yes, and there is no such thing as a free lunch. There are limits
>>> to the use of OSM.org tiles. Running your own tile server is often deemed
>>> too complicated by local governments. For bigger websites, they will often
>>> look at the likes of Mapbox.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Anyone any examples of how local government is using OSM?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> What Clifford said :)
>>>
>>>
>>>> I understand part of the City of Ottawa, Ottawa Hydro does use OSM on
>>>>> its web site by the way.  Something my contact was unaware of.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Typically, one branch of government has no clue what another branch is
>>> doing.
>>>
>>>
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