[OSM-talk] Links from wiki* back into OSM

Jo winfixit at gmail.com
Thu Sep 28 11:00:33 UTC 2017

Here is an entry I added to Wikidata:


I tried to create a Wikipedia article for it, but it got shot down
immediately. Wikipedia doesn't like companies, even if they do provide
public transport services and even if it's a red link in another article:


I don't expect the wikidata entry to be removed. It conforms to their
inclusion rule 2. If they do remove it for some unfathomable reason, our
links will indeed go stale. That's too bad.


2017-09-28 12:53 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdreist at gmail.com>:

> 2017-09-28 12:07 GMT+02:00 Jo <winfixit at gmail.com>:
>> My experience is that adding something we map (or refer to like the name
>> of a mayor) to Wikipedia is absurdly hard to accomplish. Adding it to
>> Wikidata is trivially easy in comparison. So the inclusion rules for
>> Wikipedia and Wikidata are very different too. This also means that not
>> every entry present in Wikidata will have a Wikipedia article. It might
>> have an article in one of the other Wikimedia projects, or it might only
>> exist in other projects like OpenStreetMap. I added thousands of schools in
>> Uganda to Wikidata, if you want an example.
> The criteria for inclusion in wikidata are here:
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Notability
> Basically the object has to meet at least one of these requirements:
> 1. link to an object in a wikimedia project
> 2. refers to an instance of a clearly identifiable conceptual or material
> entity
> 3. It fulfills some structural need, for example: it is needed to make
> statements made in other items more useful.
> The fact that nobody has yet removed what you have added doesn't mean it
> won't be removed in the future (similarly to how wikipedia articles I had
> linked from osm have been removed after many years), e.g. a (leftist)
> comunity centre was dismissed, in a second attempt, as "localism", "not
> known to the major part of the population", the articles in national
> newspapers about it dismissed as "not relevant" (or "could go into
> wikinews"). There was a first attempt to delete the page which didn't pass,
> so the deletionists tried again until they succeeded:
> https://it.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale:Registri
> &page=CSOA_La_Strada
> Cheers,
> Martin
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