[OSM-talk] Oracle is changing Java's license how will it affect JOSM?

john whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Sun Apr 22 20:12:23 UTC 2018

I think Fredrick's comments have merit.  We know a lot about what works so
writing code to rewrite it if need be would not be too great an effort.

Cheerio John

On 22 April 2018 at 16:06, john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:

> JAVA started as a SUN product.  It is now an Oracle product.  I spent a
> number of years working with Oracle on license for their databases.  A
> number of sales people's statements about their licensing were dubious and
> inconsistent so I'll admit I am slightly bias.
> Having said that if we look at the requirements then we'd like the ability
> to run on UNIX and Windows.  Apple are their own world and yes it can be
> run but Apple don't especially like you running it.
> We'd like to be able to run the software on corporate machines.  These
> days many companies follow the US government's lead and say JAVA is too
> much of a security risk to be allowed to install it.
> We have a lot of existing code and programmers who know JAVA.  We have a
> lot of existing JOSM users which means lots of tutorials and
> documentation.  Any changes to the interface will be expensive in people
> time.
> Pure JAVA is interpreted, the translation for lay people is it needs a
> more powerful computer to do the same work in the same time.
> I have no instant solutions but I do think sometimes we should try to
> think things through in advance.  Perhaps the biggest concern is a major
> security hole opens up and Oracle will not repair it.  JAVA is not known to
> be highly secure at the best of times.  If this happens what is the impact?
> It can be controlled to some extent in Windows by running in a separate
> user account but that too complicated for many of our users to configure.
> Do we have any responsibility to our mappers to keep their machines safe?
> Dunno which is why its worth raising the matter.
> Cheerio John
> On 22 April 2018 at 15:34, Jan Martinec <jan at martinec.name> wrote:
>> End of Java _8_, not all Java. Java 9 is already out, this is just a
>> version upgrade. So far, I have used JOSM on Java 6, Java 7, Java 8 and
>> Java 9 - this only means that ancient installations of JOSM will only work
>> with an older version of JOSM. (It's still possible to run JOSM build 10526
>> on Java 7. Source: having done just that, yesterday).
>> No action required w/r/t JOSM, relax.
>> Cheers,
>> Jan "Piskvor" Martinec
>> Dne ne 22. 4. 2018 21:05 uĹživatel john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>> napsal:
>>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html
>>> It needs to be translated into English.  For example Long Term Support
>>> means no new versions per three years.
>>> " Basically, free Java 8 updates for commercial customers, such as game
>>> developers, will cease in January 2019. After that date commercial
>>> customers must have a licence to continue to receive the updates.
>>> Free Java 8 updates for non-commercial uses, such as your home PC, will
>>> continue until the end of 2020.
>>> As of last September Oracle have moved to a LTS (Long Term Support)
>>> model for Java with new LTS versions released every 3 years - the current
>>> Java 8 was released Sept 2017 so December 2020 will be the end of a three
>>> year LTS cycle. "
>>> Cheerio John
>>> On 22 April 2018 at 14:40, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 14:26:13 -0400
>>>> john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Someone who worked at Oracle has mentioned Oracle would like to be
>>>> > out of JAVA by 2020 and that is the date for individual free licenses
>>>> > to expire.
>>>> Source?
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