[OSM-talk] Oracle is changing Java's license how will it affect JOSM?

Paweł Paprota ppawel at fastmail.fm
Mon Apr 23 05:27:16 UTC 2018

You are mixing so many different topics and misconceptions that I think
you basically don't know what you're talking about.
Perhaps you should read up on what is Java first...




On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, at 22:06, john whelan wrote:
> JAVA started as a SUN product.  It is now an Oracle product.  I spent
> a number of years working with Oracle on license for their databases.
> A number of sales people's statements about their licensing were
> dubious and inconsistent so I'll admit I am slightly bias.> Having said that if we look at the requirements then we'd like the
> ability to run on UNIX and Windows.  Apple are their own world and yes
> it can be run but Apple don't especially like you running it.> 
> We'd like to be able to run the software on corporate machines.  These
> days many companies follow the US government's lead and say JAVA is
> too much of a security risk to be allowed to install it.> We have a lot of existing code and programmers who know JAVA.  We have
> a lot of existing JOSM users which means lots of tutorials and
> documentation.  Any changes to the interface will be expensive in
> people time.> Pure JAVA is interpreted, the translation for lay people is it needs a
> more powerful computer to do the same work in the same time.> I have no instant solutions but I do think sometimes we should try to
> think things through in advance.  Perhaps the biggest concern is a
> major security hole opens up and Oracle will not repair it.  JAVA is
> not known to be highly secure at the best of times.  If this happens
> what is the impact?> It can be controlled to some extent in Windows by running in a
> separate user account but that too complicated for many of our users
> to configure.  Do we have any responsibility to our mappers to keep
> their machines safe?> Dunno which is why its worth raising the matter.
> Cheerio John
> On 22 April 2018 at 15:34, Jan Martinec <jan at martinec.name> wrote:
>> End of Java _8_, not all Java. Java 9 is already out, this is just a
>> version upgrade. So far, I have used JOSM on Java 6, Java 7, Java 8
>> and Java 9 - this only means that ancient installations of JOSM will
>> only work with an older version of JOSM. (It's still possible to run
>> JOSM build 10526 on Java 7. Source: having done just that,
>> yesterday).>> 
>> No action required w/r/t JOSM, relax.
>> Cheers,
>> Jan "Piskvor" Martinec 
>> Dne ne 22. 4. 2018 21:05 uživatel john whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com>
>> napsal:>>> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/eol-135779.html
>>> It needs to be translated into English.  For example Long Term
>>> Support means no new versions per three years.>>> 
>>> " Basically, free Java 8 updates for commercial customers, such as
>>> game developers, will cease in January 2019. After that date
>>> commercial customers must have a licence to continue to receive the
>>> updates.>>> 
>>>  Free Java 8 updates for non-commercial uses, such as your home PC,
>>>  will continue until the end of 2020.>>> 
>>>  As of last September Oracle have moved to a LTS (Long Term Support)
>>>  model for Java with new LTS versions released every 3 years - the
>>>  current Java 8 was released Sept 2017 so December 2020 will be the
>>>  end of a three year LTS cycle.  ">>> Cheerio John
>>> On 22 April 2018 at 14:40, Mateusz Konieczny <matkoniecz at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 22 Apr 2018 14:26:13 -0400 john whelan
>>>> <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>  > Someone who worked at Oracle has mentioned Oracle would like to
>>>>  > be out of JAVA by 2020 and that is the date for individual free
>>>>  > licenses to expire.
>>>> Source?>>> 
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