[OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

[john whelan]

What do the users in Tanzania  require?  Do they have access to an android
smartphone?

If so what is wrong with using OSMand, its free.  Every building in
Tanzania has a visible OLC code and its permanent so no danger it will
disappear after the trial.

Cheerio John



On 11 August 2018 at 09:31, Blake Girardot <bgirardot at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 5:49 AM, Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 11.08.2018 11:21, mmd wrote:
> >> With all due respect, I think we've long crossed that point:
> >
> > All these have been added by accident, as a side effect of undiscussed
> > imports.
> >
> > This is bad, but not as bad as adding them on purpose in the course of
> > an ill-conceived aid project with the promise of lifting poor people out
> > of their not-having-an-address misery.
> >
> > Adding coordinates, or plus codes, as tags to OSM makes no sense.
> > Building an aid project around it and doing it on purpose is at best
> > negligent and at worst cynical. It is a waste of the money of whoever
> > funds the aid project, a waste of resources in OSM, and a waste of time
> > for those who do it. For OSM to allow this to happen would make us
> > complicit in that cynicism.
> >
> > Bye
> > Frederik
>
> Ok, lets us get back to reality please.
>
> All this huffing and puffing, dumbest idea ever in history, etc etc is
> typical and typically not helping.
>
> The situation is:
>
> A ngo on the ground in Tanzania does first responded type work, they
> see how helpful addresses are in other contexts, but the area they
> work does not have any.
>
> This OLC thing seems like it would be interesting to explore, it might
> solve some of their use cases.
>
> All of their tools and workflows can use osm tags, especially like the
> addr: tags.
>
> What if we had something like that, an osm tag that had basically an
> addr: value, just from OLC instead of however one normally gets an
> address. How would that work? Where could we display it? How could we
> look them up? etc etc
>
> So by doing a small test using a regular old osm tag, they can explore
> if it is useful, how it might help, etc etc. and every single OSM tool
> in existence at this moment knows how to deal with osm addr: tags or
> osm tags more generally. What a great starting point to see if this
> solves any of their use cases, some of which we probably could not
> really describe well anyway.
>
> Ya, I am going to try some tagging options so they can get a look at
> what is possible if the tools they used supported this in code as they
> should, of course.
>
> I was not involved with this at all before, but I am now and I am
> going to do what I do, which is do what I can to help people use OSM,
> in full accordance with OSM guidelines, which this totally is.
>
> OSM will not break, everything will be ok, but OSM is a folksonomy and
> this is folksonomy 101 here.
>
> So take some deep breaths.
>
> Some local OSM'ers are going to experiment very locally and carefully
> with how OLCs or an OLC-like thing might fit into their use cases and
> we are going to do it by using tags because that is what every OSM
> tool in existence right now understands and can use to various
> degrees.
>
> We'll make a wiki page, revert the import, we'll detail it in the wiki
> page and re do it on a better defined area, described in the wiki
> project page.
>
> Also: No one is getting paid for anything related to this at this
> point. I personally would like to see Google donate to the OSMF and
> let the OSMF grant it out to help OSM core and eco system tools
> implement OLC native in code as it should be. Let the OSMF decide how
> to best help get the functionality everyone says should "just exist"
> in the vast ecosphere of OSM tools. I also plan on following up on
> that idea regardless of this tag / no tag issue, which is a minor
> issue at best.
>
> Cheers
> blake
>
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