[OSM-talk] Ground truth for non-physical objects

Victor Shcherb victor.shcherb at osmand.net
Tue Dec 11 11:45:29 UTC 2018

I think, the problem that rule says "on-the-ground" and if it doesn't mean
on-the-ground and people *cannot find it, * for example there is no sign at
all like houses missing the number plate or abandonned houses or forest /
national park divisions.

Indeed, mail address is one of the possibility to check but they are not
consistent. Sending 2 emails to correct-like address could give
contradicting results easily because they are human processed.

There is no need to discredit the rule, especially where it couldn't
applied, there is a need to enhance the rule for a non-physical objects
which are mostly driven by documents. And OSM was always fine to accept
these imports driven by municipality documents.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2018 at 12:28, Jochen Topf <jochen at remote.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 01:08:35PM +0200, Tomas Straupis wrote:
> >   I had an actual situation 5 or so years ago when an address was
> > mapped in Vilnius. Address does not exist in official records. The
> > user sent me a picture of this house number. I contacted municipality
> > ant they explained that the sign is not an official one, it means
> > nothing, there is no such address.
> It seems you haven't understood the on-the-ground rule 5 years ago and
> you still haven't. For all intents and purposes there is such an
> address. Mail will arrive there, people can find the house when looking
> for it. It doesn't matter what the official record says. It doesn't
> matter whether the address should be there or not according to some
> authority. The address is there and it should be mapped that way. That
> is what on-the-ground rule means. It works in practice. It works well.
> And, yes, there are always corner cases. But that's no reason to
> discredit the rule.
> Jochen
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