[OSM-talk] Local language help

[Yuri Astrakhan]

Jo, thx. I just looked at all names inside relation 54094
(Brussels-Capital) - 12.691 names without the " - ", and 22,655 with them,
so makes perfect sense, thanks!   I think it doesn't really matter if
default_language is set for the whole Belgium to any specific language, or
left undefined, because the region with the higher admin_level, or a
non-admin smaller region would overwrite it anyway. Thanks for the
explanation!

On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 8:46 AM Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:

> The whole country has 3 official languages. In the north nl is the
> official language, in the south fr. And a small area in the east is de.
> Brussels is officially bilingual. Hence all names there will be a
> combination of fr - nl.
>
> Normally I would expect Belgium to not have default_language set. You may
> have to keep a list of countries where it only makes sense to look at the
> next smaller geographic regions.
>
> I expect the same goes for Switzerland (whole country 3-4 official
> languages, but at the next geographic level it is clear which language is
> spoken/official for which region).
>
> I think in most multilingual countries the regions are not so clearly
> defined.
>
> Jo
>
> 2018-05-09 2:37 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan at gmail.com>:
>
>> Polyglot, thanks!  I just ran the list of names for Belgium -
>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/yEj (takes a few minutes and 20MB download).
>> It seems that most of the names are single language.  Even cities tend to
>> be a single language strings, with a few exceptions (e.g. Brussels itself,
>> and the country name).
>>
>> So on one hand, we could set default_language to "nl / fr / de" to match
>> the country name format, or to two languages that match "Bruxelles -
>> Brussel"  ("fr - nl" ?). But in reality, the most helpful value is just a
>> single "nl" or "fr" (?), because for almost all "name" tags, there is just
>> a single language. The country name is a very rare exception, but it has
>> many other name:xx defined anyway, so it is not a problem - if user
>> requests "fr" or "nl", there is a name:fr and name:nl. And if user requests
>> something that's not defined, at the end it will still fall back to name
>> tag.
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 2:39 AM Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Since there is not 1 language for Belgium and nl;fr;de is not allowed,
>>> it won't be possible to set this tag for Belgium. I did set it on the
>>> regions/communities.
>>>
>>> Polyglot
>>>
>>> 2018-05-08 22:31 GMT+02:00 Yuri Astrakhan <yuriastrakhan at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Daniel, I agree - it seems most of the low-zoom Moroccan names are in a
>>>> triple-form,  and many local names are in a wild mix of french only and
>>>> multi-lingual ones:   https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/yE5 (thx trigpoint &
>>>> FredrikLindseth on IRC!)  Do you want to change it, or should I?
>>>>
>>>> Also, there are still about 60 countries without a tag:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y9382ewv
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 10:59 PM Daniel Koć <daniel at koć.pl> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> W dniu 08.05.2018 o 21:31, Yuri Astrakhan pisze:
>>>>>
>>>>> > This query shows a list of regions that have the new default_language
>>>>> > tag (you can multisort column with shift or control clicking the
>>>>> > headers).  http://tinyurl.com/yd6bx6s3
>>>>>
>>>>> What about places like Morocco? Shouldn't it be rather similar to
>>>>> Belgium - "fr ber ar" (because the name is "Maroc ⵍⵎⵖⵔⵉⴱ المغرب") than
>>>>> just "ar"?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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