[OSM-talk] Fwd: DWG policy on Crimea

[Warin]

On 23/10/18 03:24, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> 22. Oct 2018 16:59 by colin.smale at xs4all.nl 
> <mailto:colin.smale at xs4all.nl>:
>
>     On 2018-10-22 16:34, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>
>         I strongly disagree, we map reality.
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>     There is no one true reality, only perceptions.
>
>
> There is both a true reality and our biased interpretation of it. But 
> it many
>
> cases it is possible to select criteria, rules, categorizations where 
> bias is small and
>
> our interpretation align.
>
>
> But anyway that is a philosophical claim and that discussion is 
> unlikely to lead anything useful.
>
>
>     Which reality takes precedence in your mind, may not be the same
>     for everyone. Reality is subjective.
>
>     What is the test to apply to decide whether a point is included in
>     country A or country B?
>
>
> In case of Russian/Ukrainian border, as defined by on the ground line 
> of control
>
> "is area controlled by Russian army or Ukrainian army" works quite 
> well, better than
>
> "is this area claimed by Russia" or "is this area claimed by Ukraine"
>
>
>     In the case of disputed borders, there are at least two realities
>     (as perceived by the parties to the dispute) and possibly a third
>     reality as perceived by a number of locals
>
>
> There is one reality and multiple interpretations of it. It is 
> preferable to map things so that
>
> interpretations are not different between mappers.
>


Some interesting reading here on the 'reality' of a 'country'..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-03/countries-changing-what-it-means-to-be-a-nation-state/10435028

In particular the Mohawk Nation at Akwesasne is of interest - spans 2 
'countries' ... I think it is like the reindeer headers of Finland/Russia.
Think you'll find the perceptions change depending on the experience of 
the individual and possibly their cultural links.
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