[OSM-talk] OSMF silently sides with Russia?

Simon Poole simon at poole.ch
Tue Nov 20 06:46:53 UTC 2018

I've not been involved in this discussion at all, so it wasn't my
decision. But as we've repeated time and time again on many occasions,
the default borders in OSM are those of de facto control and recording
the fact of which country has control has nothing to do if we think that
is legit, appropriate or anything similar, it is simply recording the fact.

More on the policy can be found here

If the Ukraine regains control of the Crimea, or there was some other
solution, we would duly record that.  In any case none of this stops you
from producing maps with other borders, however imaginary they might be.


Am 20.11.2018 um 07:15 schrieb Tomas Straupis:
> Hello
>   I think this needs more attention and should not be silently buried
> in archives.
>   OSMF/DWG has sided with Moscow to recognise illegal annexation of
> Ukraine's territory - Crimea.
>   https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes/DWG_2018-11-14_Crimea
>   Note that there was a vote in UN on this:
>   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_68/262
>   only few countries on the level of North Korea, Zimbabwe, Russia,
> Venezuela have recognised this international crime. Does OSMF/DWG want
> to be in this group? Does OpenStreetMap has to be in this group?
>   PRACTICAL1: this will make it impossible to create a correct
> political map using OSM data.
>   PRACTICAL2: It is also EXTREMELY damaging to OpenStreetMap
> reputation. Now all opponents of OSM will be able to point fingers at
> this decision - "OSM recognises Crimeas annexation". And it now makes
> us all participate in Russian (ruled) project.
>   PRACTICAL3: While there are some talks about using OSM instead or
> alongside of commercial GIS solutions in the context of EU INSPIRE
> directive, such intentions will be seriously damaged by OSMF/DWG
> actions, because Europe has a very clear position of not recognising
> Crimeas annexation.
>   It would also be nice to know how members of DWG voted, to have more
> information on their attitudes towards Russian aggression. This would
> be important for those having a vote. But I do not know how to do that
> correctly, so that not to cause personal damage and avoid bullying.
>   I personally do not know how/if I can proceed with pushing
> OpenStreetMap to government or educational use...

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