[OSM-talk] iD influencing tagging

john whelan jwhelan0112 at gmail.com
Sun Apr 7 17:43:18 UTC 2019

>John - did you look at Github issue 2776 [1] that discussed
Semi-Detached?  I've never tagged a semi-detached house, but iD offers it
as a preset.

I don't normally use iD but you must explain to me where iD offers it as a
preset since I was unable to spot it. Stats Canada's project to map
buildings is where the concern arose.  The more precise the detail the more
valuable is the information.

Open / Closed environment simply that iD is very widely used which means I
think it should be held to a higher standard since its presets are
generally the ones used.  OSM has room for discussion I maybe mistaken but
I'm under the impression that the programmers here make the decisions.
Based on my programming background normally the technical authority is not
the programmer.

In JOSM using the buildings_tool to map a line of square buildings takes
two clicks per building and they are both square and correctly tagged.  iD
takes far more clicks.  Squaring after drawing introduces a level of

Cheerio John

On Sun, 7 Apr 2019 at 12:12, Clifford Snow <clifford at snowandsnow.us> wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 5:44 AM John Whelan <jwhelan0112 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I note that the matter has been raised in talk-de and mentioned in osm
>> weekly.
>> Tagging is not always easy, but I do have concerns when iD is so commonly
>> used but the recommended tags do not align with OpenStreetMap I'll say
>> normals.
>> Specifically one of my concerns is a semi-detached house is not
>> recognised in iD only the more general tag house.
>> John - did you look at Github issue 2776 [1] that discussed
> Semi-Detached?  I've never tagged a semi-detached house, but iD offers it
> as a preset.
> JOSM I think is much more open than iD but given the way OpenStreetMap
>> functions I suspect ID is a much more closed environment.
> Can you help me understand what you  mean by iD is a much more closed
> environment? Are you saying because it is a browser based application it is
> more closed or???  When I look at the number of people that have created
> issues and the current pull requests it seems like a number of people are
> involved.
>> For example JOSM has the buildings_tool plugin, Africa has a large number
>> of odd shaped buildings mapped in iD.
> It seems to me that building shapes are more of a newbie issue  than
> editor issue. I look at each new editor in my state. Squaring buildings is
> one of the most common tips I give new mappers. Had they started out in
> JOSM, I suspect I'd still be giving the same tip. Not because of the editor
> but they wouldn't know to install and use the building tool.
>> Thoughts ladies and gentlemen?
> I believe iD has come a long way.  I'm using it more and more instead of
> JOSM. I applaud the speed at which Bryan and others respond to issues and
> have improved it. The original post on talk-de really seemed to be
> complaining that the development staff is paid. Maybe what we should be
> asking is "Should OSMF fund development of tools?"
> [1]  https://github.com/openstreetmap/iD/issues/2776
> Best,
> Clifford
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