[OSM-talk] Isn't it nice to share? 🙂 | Re: Facebook mapping highways using AI in collaborati =?utf-8?q?on_with_OpenStreetMap

Fri Aug 2 11:05:37 UTC 2019

Good luck with trying to dialogue with them (can you get any of their
emails?). I tried asking simple stuff like complying with license, OSM
principles and OSMF guidelines. they stopped replying and keep being acting
in a disrespectful way towards our community and OSMF objects. This
behavior does not promote the growdth of open data.

trying to ask them to improve RaID, instead of prioritizing to fulfill the
community standards when they use OSM data in a wrong ways, are not clear
is more dangerous for OSM than improving their editor. this kind of
behavior from corporate members must be banned. to quote OSMF at
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Corporate_Members

Foundation and community expectations

We expect Corporate Members to conduct themselves as good citizens of the
OpenStreetMap ecosystem, e.g. by complying with our attribution
requirements (Licence and Legal FAQ
<https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal_FAQ>),
following good editing practice and adhering to the community's guidelines,
such as the Licence/Community Guidelines
<https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Community_Guidelines> and
the Organised
Editing Guidelines
<https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Organised_Editing_Guidelines>.
They are clearly not good citizens (i dare you to prove me wrong) by not
practicing the community guidelines, license. so please stop complying with
not complying behavior that only damages OSM/OSMF and our community.

about their POIs we get dozens of emails monthly on our copyright email due
to their users finding their address on instagram or Facebook in which as
they are not clear when using our maps with their data, their users end up
sending emails to OSM thinking we are the ones responsible for that lack of
privacy on their side when they only use us as a basemap, even without
complying with ODbL or the attribution. they are not clear enough what's
theirs and what's our data and it's resulting in OSM being "responsible"
for their POIs, even when they don't fulfill the basic OSMF standards and
guidelines. they must not be aware or read my emails, cuz they are not OSMF
corporate members or been asked to comply 9 months ago.

A sexta, 2/08/2019, 09:58, Valor Naram <valinora at gmx.net> escreveu:

> The time is now to get into dialogues with Facebook's RaID team instead of
> discussing further what Facebook did/does wrong, how they can improve their
> AI, how they can improve their communication with the community and what
> their intentions are.
>
> Discussing with Facebook's RaID team is better and more helpful for both
> sites instead of discussing about Facebook's practise without Facebook's
> involvement.
>
> We should be fair!
>
> Cheers
>
> Sören Reinecke alias Valor Naram
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Isn't it nice to share? 🙂 | Re: Facebook mapping
> highways using AI in collaborati =?utf-8?q?on_with_OpenStreetMap
> From: Joseph Eisenberg
> To: Marc Gemis
> CC: Rory McCann ,OSM Talk
>
>
> Facebook probably shouldn't import all of their POIs directly into
> OSM. I understand that this could cause problems.
>
> But they could make available all sorts of useful data, including a
> separate overlay or service that allowed us to see where facebook POIs
> are located, and manually import them into OSM if they are correct.
>
> I believe that also record your GPS coordinates while using the app in
> many cases, such as when taking photos. They could make these GPS
> traces available, like Strava does - quite helpful for finding missing
> path connections, and also helps show when a street a closed.
>
> They could allow their users to choose to automatically upload photos
> of businesses and street scenes under a suitable license to a
> Mapillary-like site that could be used for mapping.
>
> They could share data that suggest that POIs no longer exist; such as
> a facebook user clicking a note that says "this place is permanently
> closed" or "doesn't exist" and we could use that like a note or fixme.
> I believe these sort of prompts are already automatically suggested
> when the app sees you are at a POI, as are things questions about
> additional features (free parking? free wifi, etc?) which could be
> useful information for us.
>
> None of these options for share-alike would be clearly good for
> short-term shareholder value, but they would be quite helpful for
> mappers in OSM, and wouldn't require a massive import.
>
> Joseph
>
> On 8/2/19, Marc Gemis wrote:
> > This "self appointed police of OSM" will probably question
> >
> > - how did those companies receive the data, under which copyright?
> > - how did they geocode the POIs, using Google's geocoder ? (a big no-no)
> > - how up-to-date is this data ? Will you reimport POIs that have been
> > rightfully removed in OSM ?
> > - how will you avoid duplicates ?
> >
> > all legitimate question imho.
> >
> > p.s. people that keep blaming the mailing lists for bad behaviour,
> > really make me wonder why I keep contributing to OSM (mailing list).
> > Did you ever wonder that this type of constant nagging might turn off
> > well-meaning people as much as the people you point at turn off you?
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 9:00 AM Blake Girardot wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:00 AM Rory McCann wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Oh yes, there's nothing wrong with Facebook (and Yelp, and TripAdvisor
> >>> and and) having their own PoI database. But, they _could_ help us,
> >>> massively, by sharing it. They way they talk about OSM, you'd swear
> they
> >>> were already doing all they could to help us.
> >>>
> >>> But it's naive to think they ever will. Nothing wrong with that,
> >>> shareholder value and all that.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Hi Rory,
> >>
> >> Respectfully, it is naive to think that even if they did offer their POI
> >> databases, the self appointed police of OSM would allow the POIs to be
> >> added to OSM.
> >>
> >> Truthfully, it is naive to think that any mapping or data that is not
> >> contributed just the way the few vocal folks who monopolize these OSM
> >> lists like, will be accepted.
> >>
> >> There really is no way to win with these folks, offer a lot and they
> >> accuse the contributor of trying to take over and/or destroying OSM,
> offer
> >> too little and they accuse the users of taking advantage of OSM.
> >>
> >> Best to just do like most folks who are interested in using and
> >> contributing to OSM do - unsubscribe from these lists and carry on.
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Blake
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>
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