[OSM-talk] OSM user diary etiquette

Tue Dec 31 21:54:24 UTC 2019

This is my first post within these mailman lists. Just in case I make 
some mistake that leads to this message not getting placed in the lists 
correctly, the post that I am trying to respond to is at:–
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2019-June/082747.html

1. https://www.stopforumspam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=50236#p50236 :
• (email) Re: [Ticket#2019062210000073] Alex: Enough with the Insults 
and Comdemnation (sic)
• 24/06/2019, 23:00: “we have removed your latest diary entry because it 
was considered too offensive”

The discussion in the post linked at top is very one-sided. None of the 
“obnoxious behaviour” can be viewed, since the posts mentioned have been 
removed. Well, joy! Although 12 posts total were deleted by the DWG, 
11 were saved by myself at the time and many of them can be viewed 
elsewhere so that unbiased persons can make up their own mind as to just 
how vile these posts were (not). So, in reverse order:–

(You will be disappointed if you are hoping to read lots of insults 
and/or swearing)

2. https://www.stopforumspam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=50239#p50239 :
• A Stranger at your Table 2019-06-24
• (the word-for-word post mentioned in [1] above that sparked removal of 
all Spam-info posts in OSM Diaries)

3. https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/308 :
• Github email 2019-06-22: “A maintainer of the @openstreetmap 
organization has blocked you”

4. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/alexkemp/diary/390252 :
• Post about AST Auto Centre + spam in OSM 2019-06-05, re-posted 
2019-08-06 (spam-related material removed for clarity): “PoI Musings”

5. https://www.stopforumspam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=50184#p50184 :
• Post about spam in OSM 2019-05-18: “OSM is now within an iteration of 
spam-bot software (such as XRumer)”

6. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/alexkemp/diary/390418 :
• Post about spam in OSM 2019-05-12, re-posted 2019-07-12: “How to Stop 
the Spam-Storm”

7. https://www.stopforumspam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=50245#p50245 :
8. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/alexkemp/diary/390250 :
• Post about spam in OSM 2019-05-06, re-posted 2019-07-12: “Recent Spam 
Attacks”
• (a set of statistics, originated to discover whether the then-recent 
spam attacks were human or bot-attacks)

9. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/alexkemp/diary/158832 :
• Post about spam in OSM 2019-05-03: “Behold Cassandra”
• (this is the single post about spam in OSM that was NOT removed. Yet.)

10. https://www.stopforumspam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=50404#p50404 :
• Email to TomH + Firefishy 2019-09-16: opportunity to use/test a 
k-anonymity SFS API (zero response)

In Summary:–

OSM == OpenStreetMap
DWG == Data Working Group

https://www.openstreetmap.org/diary
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/alexkemp/diary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat_king
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Going_postal

A bunch of OSM folks, joined at the tail by the common mental 
disturbance known as Narcissism, got butt-hurt by (in part) the fact of 
my pointing out that they were malignant narcissists, and went postal on 
me. Unfortunately for myself, they
Ⅰ. had controls of levers that allowed them to remove Diary posts that, 
in some cases, had taken me more than 11 hours to research & write, and
Ⅱ. were malignant narcissists, which meant that they would do everything 
in their power to harm me.

If you stand to one side and kind of squint at all of this, and after 
reading all the available posts (above), and especially after reading 
the extract from the email sent to me by one of the executives of the 
DWG (bottom), you now need to re-join your bottom jaw to your top-jaw. 
And yes, this really is Real Life. And it is about to get worse, since 
it appears that some of these folks may be engaging in financial 
mismanagement (at best) and/or corruption (at worst)…

A. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Nakaner/diary/42916 :
• Post about 2017 OSMF Board Elections 2017-12-08: “analysis of the 
candidates”
• Heather Leson: “rarely active mapper … member of the HOT US Inc. … 
would like to introduce a strong code of conduct with an enforcement … 
emphasized her fundraising skills on the HOT board but did not collect 
any money” … et al
• Emails from Nicolas Chavent (co-founder of HOT) + Severin Menard 
(long-time member of HOT) reveal effects of a code of conduct complaint 
within HOT, plus it running out of money whilst Leson was in charge

B. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SeverinGeo/diary/42854 :
• Post in OSM Diary 2017-12-01: “Leaving the HOT US Corporation”
• Severin Menard: “secrecy and lies were core within the board toward 
the membership … End of September 2015, HOT US Inc should still have 
approximately USD $152,000 for activities still to be done or to be 
returned for one large multiple years project, while the bank account 
was around only USD $10K.”

C. https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SeverinGeo/diary/42924 :
• Post in OSM Diary 2017-12-10: “The history of HOT US Inc governance - 
not to be replicated in OSMF”

D. 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2017-December/004576.html 
:
• Nicolas Chavent (both a HOT US inc and an OSMF member) receives an 
undisclosed Code Of Conduct (CoC) complaint from HOT
• That fact is discovered only due to a chance discussion with Severin 
Menard (at that time a OSMF Board Officer, who nonetheless did not know 
that Chavent was unaware of any complaint).

E. 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Heather%20Leson/diary/43458#comment41276 
:
• Comment from alexkemp 2018-03-19 15:58: “OSM and gender discussion” by 
Heather Leson
• (I believe this may be the action that placed me on the *Rat King*’s 
hit-list; attacks within comments to my Diary posts began to escalate 
after this point, culminating in June 2019 with wholesale slaughter 
amongst my posts)

And finally:

F. https://www.stopforumspam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=50236#p50236 :
• Re: [Ticket#2019062210000073] Alex: Enough with the Insults and 
Comdemnation (sic)
• 25/06/2019, 00:33:

 > Dear Alex,

 > just in case this was not clear: Everybody else in OSM is allowed to 
make snarky, cynical, or sarcastic comments, and we don't kick people 
out for a single misstep either. It's just that the rules that apply to 
you specifically have been tightened because of your past record.

 > Also just in case this was not clear, this whole situation has long 
ago left the place where we were discussing what is true and false. Even 
if everything you have said was factually correct, and everything 
everyone else said was factually wrong, this would not change our 
judgement one bit. Therefore we will not be drawn into discussions about 
wrong or right; no amount of being right can nullify your obnoxious 
behaviour.

 > Best regards
 > Frederik Ramm

 > --
 > OpenStreetMap Foundation
 > Data Working Group - data at osmfoundation.org
 > --
 > [Ticket#2019062210000073]

 > - Alex Kemp wrote:

 >> It is “Condemnation” not “Comdemnation”.

 >>> - this is certainly not just because you are 10 times brighter than 
everyone else

 >> That was a “snarky, cynical, or sarcastic” comment. How come you did 
not remove it? This entire post is also “insulting and offending (one 
of) your volunteers”. Are you going to remove any future derogatory blog 
entries or comments that you write on the user diaries? Or do your 
actions only apply to others? That is the normal deeply hypocritical 
action taken by folks like yourself.

 >> BTW it really stinks this far up your anus.

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