[OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

Mikel Maron mikel.maron at gmail.com
Fri Mar 1 01:51:28 UTC 2019

These are norms not rules. ODbL doesn't specify how attribution needs to happen, or anything about equivalence with other attribution. So even if OSMF were to take on enforcement, there's nothing to specific to enforce. (And I recommend we drop the whole license shaming shenanigans -- we should accept that OSM has won and we are not the underdogs any more. ) Sure we could get legal, but imagine the number of legal opinions about what "reasonably calculated" means. 
We may not like that reality, but that's the underlying legal situation. We can certainly recommend a better way. And that recommendation can only be formulated through the OSMF; a mailing list discussion will not lead to a legal decision, though it's an interesting pulse on the topic. afaik the LWG is actually thinking about updating the guidance to modern day usage, and welcome that effort. 

* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

    On Thursday, February 28, 2019, 8:03:23 PM EST, Greg Troxel <gdt at lexort.com> wrote:  
 Paul Norman via talk <talk at openstreetmap.org> writes:

> On 2019-02-28 2:35 p.m., Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>> In recent years some OSM data consumers and "OSM as a service"
>> providers have begun to put the credit to OpenStreetMap behind an
>> click-through 'About', 'Credits', 'Legal' or '(i)' link. Examples:
>> https://docs.mapbox.com/help/img/android/android-first-steps-intro.png
>> https://www.systemed.net/osm/IMG_1846.PNG
> In my mind what makes these examples particularly egregious is how
> they find room for image logos. If there's room for a Mapbox or Tomtom
> logo like in the images above, there's room for (c) OpenStreetMap
> With maps like this, I would expect a "reasonably calculated"
> attribution to have OSM with at least the prominence of other
> companies.

Agreed.  The notion that there isn't room does not hold up to scrutiny.

I tend towards OSM being more aggressive about insisting that the
attribution rules be followed.

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