[OSM-talk] We need to have a conversation about attribution

Simon Poole simon at poole.ch
Sat Mar 2 18:58:35 UTC 2019

Am 02.03.2019 um 16:13 schrieb Florian Lohoff:
> In most jurisdications licensing and trade marks will only hold up
> when defended or enforced in court. Once you stop doing so you
> might loose your protection.

This is nonsense as Mateusz has already pointed out and is not even true
for trademarks in that form.

Those that have been around a bit longer know that you jump at every
chance to re-fight a battle that you long lost (with claims that were
not true 7 years ago and are not less wrong now), and really this is a
discussion about what the community wants to do going forward about
attribution, not about your old grievances.


> So when relicensing the ultimate consequence is that you need to defend
> your license - and thats was my first question. Is the OSMF willing
> to enforce the license?
> I had my doubts that the ODbL will be enforced against companys who
> are not only data consumers but also contributers and sponsors.
> In the end the fear of displease our big sponsors by dragging them
> to court is bigger than the annoyance of those consumers not
> attributing to us in a form acceptable. 
> In the end i see exactly that happing right now. 
> And we as mappers, contributers have lost a lot of freedom with the
> relicensing - and the gain was marginal. Now we are in the situation 
> that the big consumers may push us around as they like as the OSMF 
> is not willing to defend our rights which we passed on to them 
> with the CT. Just pay some bills of the OSMF, SoTM, OSM Operations
> and suddenly you'll be pretty safe against ODbL violations.
> I was disappointed with the relicensing as i didnt see any reason to 
> do so. And i am disappointed by the paper tiger the OSMF is.
> I am still a big fan of PD/CC0 but taken all the side effects of the
> ODbL the least thing i want is that the marginal gains we might have
> with this license will be taken serious and be enforced by the OSMF.
> Violations are going on for years now and every couple months somebody
> asks for clarification and the outcome is always nil.
> So i fail to see anyone to enforcing the ODbL. So why did we do the
> relicensing in the first place?
> Flo
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