[OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Anyone who likes to organize an ID discussion panel at SotM?

JB jbosm at mailoo.org
Wed May 29 17:25:05 UTC 2019

We really have victims here, it seems.
Dear Christine, thank you for your work, thanks for your help, thanks 
for your ideas, thanks for your presence at many OSM events.
Il semble que des personnes n'arrivent pas à gérer des idées différentes 
des leurs. Leurs idées seront toujours les bonnes et les meilleures. Ein 
iD-Panel ist ein gute Idee, aber ich wird in SOTM nicht kommen dieses Jahr.
And yes, the message from this list non-reader confirms that having an 
updates-unwatched iD as default editor on osm.org is now really a bad 
idea. Unfortunately, I (and others probably) will just do nothing about it.
JB, a sometimes-reader, seldom-writer.

Le 29/05/2019 à 17:32, Heather Leson a écrit :
> Dear Christine, Bryan and colleagues,
> Thank you for this conversation. Christine, thanks for the 
> consideration. Many people use ID. It is part of OSM.
> Bryan, i will reach out to separately on this topic. My goal is really 
> to understand using this example on how we might improve for all 
> people. The negativity is hard for me to, so we can start with a chat? 
> More in a separate note.
> I have also had some interesting experiences and frankly, I think OSM 
> deserves to really think and do more. Call me an ally, but I believe 
> there is room for all of us. Community health is a big concern.
> Thank you
> Heather
> Heather Leson
> heatherleson at gmail.com <mailto:heatherleson at gmail.com>
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> Blog: textontechs.com <http://textontechs.com>
> On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 5:23 PM Bryan Housel <bhousel at gmail.com 
> <mailto:bhousel at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     Christine..
>     We mustn't define “the community” as the few remaining handful of
>     people who have not yet been driven off the mailing lists by
>     persistent abusers and trolls.
>     I am very aware of what people are saying about iD on all
>     discussion channels.  I read all of it, even the stuff written in
>     other languages, and even archives of mailing lists that I’ve long
>     unsubscribed from.
>     I encourage everyone to not put too much stock into what “the
>     community” of mailing list haters thinks about iD.  It’s the same
>     dozen or so people who have never liked me or iD much anyway.
>     I meet with stakeholders every week about the improvements we’ve
>     made in iD, /and I’m proud of the work that our small team has
>     been able to accomplish with each new release/.  Right now there
>     are 1000s of people editing with iD (most volunteering, but some
>     paid) who will never stop by mailing list or a GitHub thread. 
>     They far outnumber the voices that you hear on `talk` or `tagging`.
>     In large part because of the escalating negativity, I will not be
>     attending State of the Map.
>     My strong recommendation to you is to fill the program with
>     content that encourages community health, inspires people to be
>     better to one another, and celebrates the great things people are
>     building with OpenStreetMap.
>     Thanks, Bryan
>     ❤️, 🆔
>>     On May 29, 2019, at 5:55 AM, Christine Karch
>>     <christine at hermione.de <mailto:christine at hermione.de>> wrote:
>>     Hi,
>>     reading the discussions about the direction of ID development and how
>>     the community wants the ID at the OSM website I had the idea that
>>     there
>>     could perhaps be a panel at SotM. Does anyone want to organize an ID
>>     discussion panel at SotM? Please tell me or us (program committee
>>     in CC)
>>     and we can consider it. At the moment it would be sufficient to have
>>     someone (or more) who wants to organize it. All details could be
>>     defined
>>     later.
>>     As ID is a core feature at the OSM website I think this would be
>>     suitable for the main program at SotM.
>>     Additionally it is always possible to organize informal meetings,
>>     panels
>>     during SotM in the unconference space (we will provide a lot of it).
>>     By the way ticket sales is open. The Early Bird phase is until 7
>>     July.
>>     Program announcement will be around 20 June.
>>     We will have our schedule meeting at 8 June. So it would be good
>>     to know
>>     if an ID panel should be planned. Details for the program booklet
>>     should
>>     be provided until end of July.
>>     Cheers
>>     Christine
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