[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re[2]: Tag:manhole=telecom

[80hnhtv4agou at bk.ru]

I am trying to say the tag page is wrong,
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom
the picture is a fiber optics splice enclosure not a manhole
https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/
https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html
https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/appln/Prefab-underground.jpg
 
this is a fiber splice manhole,
https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf
 
can we change the picture or put both on the same page with the legal industry names.
https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/manhole
( a man goes into the hole) [manhole] 
 
  
>Sunday, April 19, 2020 5:02 PM -05:00 from François Lacombe <fl.infosreseaux at gmail.com>:
>To me, manhole applies in the two situations.
>We should make a distinction between the "cap" visible from the surface and the facility underground.
>Same shape of "cap" (I call it the manhole actually) can hide really different kind of stuff underground you won't be able to define without removing the cap.
>In OSM, most mappers will only be able to describe what is visible on surface. So this distinction would really be valuable.
>When I look for "cable manhole" in google, I see both pavement and road manholes.
>Then I found this :  https://www.archiexpo.com/prod/dakota-group/product-150519-1693688.html
>The body below surface, buried underground would be called a "cable room".
>All the best
>François  
>Le dim. 19 avr. 2020 à 23:14, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk < talk at openstreetmap.org > a écrit :
>> this is an enclosure  just put in the ground, level 3 fiber.
>>https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/4KIBU1qe2CfjtcKtPHegeg/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V&Expires=1587328637&Signature=8%2FzNiW16zbU9FjWy0JD17cNwIns%3D
>>https://www.thefoa.org/tech/ref/install/Microtrenching/Pages/25.html
>> 
>>this is a manhole, ameritech, a t & t.
>>https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/mapillary.private.images/dSk9MhzCx0L0AAFzD-WqYQ/uploaded.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAR47SN3BMII5SHG7V&Expires=1587329086&Signature=o%2F0CqAKQC1ltl0F2vCqXVIecRP4%3D
>> 
>>https://www.jensenprecast.com/AT-T-Northern-California-a840/Telecom-Utility-Structures/Manholes-p14890/AT-T-4-x4-x4-fiber-optic-Intercept-Manhole-Page-1-of-2-d2315.pdf
>> 
>>>Sunday, April 19, 2020 3:06 PM -05:00 from Tom Pfeifer < t.pfeifer at computer.org >:
>>>Dear 80hnhtv4agou,
>>>As OpenStreetMap is a worldwide project, we have to agree on a tagging scheme for an object that
>>>is worldwide comprehensible.
>>>We prefer to use the same tag for the same kind of thing.
>>>Thus we prefer not to introduce synonyms or regional variations.
>>>To make a feature be found more easily, "related terms" can be added in the wiki.
>>>In the particular case, some friendly colleague has already added ‹buried cable enclosure›
>>>to the manhole=telecom wiki page.
>>>Kind regards
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>On 19.04.2020 17:20, 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk wrote:
>>>>  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:manhole=telecom
>>>> in the united states this is not what it is called, so it was hard for me to find to use.
>>>> can the name be changed.
>>>>  https://www.multicominc.com/product/pencell-pem-2436-24x36x24-buried-cable-enclosure/
>>>> to what it is ? _______________________________________________
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