[OSM-talk] Many processes not defined | Re: Proposal for Software Dispute Resolution Panel

Joseph Eisenberg joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com
Tue Aug 4 21:31:43 UTC 2020


Re: "Rory, I don't know about you, but I'm certainly hoping for a bunch of
corporate sell outs rubber stamping iD decisions and squashing the common
mapper into conformity. Why else would we be doing this?"

This sarcastic comment is not a fair response to Christoph's concerns.

While we hope that no one involved currently in OpenStreetMap would
purposefully turn the community over to corporations, it is certainly
possible to imagine this to happen little by little, if the community is
eroded slowly, lacking safeguards and clear goals.

If the people who become leaders of the OpenStreetMap community have all of
their experience and ideals based in the corporate tech sector, it will be
unsurprising if they are naturally inclined to make decisions which are
favorable to the interests of Facebook, Apple or Amazon, whether or not
they benefit the OpenStreetMap community.

As a famous American reformer (Upton Sinclair) often said: "It is difficult
to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not
understanding it."

– Joseph Eisenberg

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mikel Maron <mikel.maron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rory, I don't know about you, but I'm certainly hoping for a bunch of
> corporate sell outs rubber stamping iD decisions and squashing the common
> mapper into conformity. Why else would we be doing this?
>
> On Tuesday, August 4, 2020, 04:37:00 PM EDT, Rory McCann <
> rory at technomancy.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> The Board hasn't decided on how the panel will be
> formed/elected/appointed/choosen. Just because the document doesn't
> address one issue, doesn't mean the opposite, horrible option will
> happen. Do you think I'm going to support some Old Boy's Network of
> corporate employees?
>
> What would you suggest for appointing & transparency?
>
> On 04.08.20 21:30, Christoph Hormann wrote:
> > On Tuesday 04 August 2020, Dorothea Kazazi wrote:
> >>
> >> The OSMF board just published a proposal for a software
> >> dispute resolution panel:
> >> https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2020/08/04/proposal-for-software-dispu
> >> te-resolution-panel/
> >
> > I guess i am asking too much if i envision the board creating a panel it
> > does not control itself...
> >
> > For context - the DWG, which is the traditional and broadly respected
> > entity to resolve conflicts in mapping, is not controlled in
> > composition by the board, it decides on accepting new members
> > themselves.  See also:
> >
> >
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group/DWG_Membership_Policy
> >
> https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group/DWG_Conflict_of_Interest_Policy
> >
> > Significant parts of the authority the DWG has among mappers derive from
> > the fact that it is not composed of political appointees.
> >
> > Interesting also that the composition of the panel is supposed to
> > reflect "all interests of the OSM community" but competence of the
> > panel members on the subject, experience with and knowledge of mapping
> > and tagging in OSM or in other words:  The competence to assess
> > evidence on the cases they deal with and to deliberate on the matters
> > in a qualified and knowledgable way, is not a criterion.  Neither is
> > impartiality on prominent special interests like those of corporate
> > data users.
> >
> > Transparency is limited to the ultimate decisions being made public
> > (indeed important, would be interesting how this would function
> > otherwise).  I guess that means both the nominations and selection of
> > panel members as well as the deliberation and consulting of the panel
> > on cases is going to happen behind closed doors.
> >
>
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