[OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

[Imre Samu]

some info for the planning :

> .... Wikidata names. I'm guessing thats because they are simply better
quality,

most of  the labels /names generated/transliterated  by bots ..
or imported from other databases ( GeoNames !! )

> better modeled, better referenced

Wikidata:  The Cathedral style ... top-bottom
OpenStreetMap:  Bazaar style data model:  ... bottom-up

in the OSM .. There are a lot of name tags :
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=name
and it is not easy  to map everything to the wikidata model.

Wikidata is a graph database .. and there is a "known" scalability problem
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikidata/2019-June/013124.html

*"Scaling graph databases is a "known hard problem", and we are reaching*
*a scale where there are no obvious easy solutions to address all the*
*above constraints. At this point, just "throwing hardware at the*
*problem" is not an option anymore."*



can't protect against bad import ..  no strict  community rules ...
for example -  the cebwiki  re-imported the full GeoNames database ...
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2018/06#A_proposed_course_of_action_for_dealing_with_cebwiki/svwiki_geographic_duplicates
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2018/07#Another_cebwiki_flood%3F
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2017/10#Cebuano

> and better protected against vandalism.

anyone can modify the wikidata - without registration.
in the wikidata JSON dump - no user info .. so it is hard to detect the
modifications type ( from logged or unlogged users )


Best,
 Imre

pangoSE <pangose at riseup.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2020. aug. 9., V, 10:29):

> I suggest we create a roadmap for deprecating of storing and updating
> names in OSM for objects with a Wikidata tag.
>
> The rationale is explained here:
> https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19655
>
> This of course affects the whole project and data consumers as well. Every
> OSM user will have to become a Wikidata user as well to edit the names or
> add name references (through the editors)
>
> Substantial changes will have to be made:
> * nominatim will need to support fetching names from wikidata somehow. It
> could probably be done on the fly.
> * openstreetmap.org will need to fetch from wikidata when displaying any
> object.
> * rendering the standard map will have to support fetching from wikidata.
> * all editors would have to fetch and enable editing of Wikidata objects.
> * maybe it no longer makes sense to have 2 separate logins? We should
> unify the logging in as much as possible. Ideas are welcome on how to do
> that. Perhaps retire signing up as OSM user on osm.org and ask users to
> create a Wikimedia account instead and log in with that?
>
> I personally don't see any problems connecting Wikimedia and OSM closer
> than the islands they are today.
>
> As mentioned in the ticket above data consumers like Mapbox already prefer
> Wikidata names. I'm guessing thats because they are simply better quality,
> better modeled, better referenced and better protected against vandalism.
>
> WDYT?
>
> Cheers
> pangoSE
> Ps I choose this list because this not only relates to tagging, but to the
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