[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM

Mateusz Konieczny matkoniecz at tutanota.com
Sun Aug 9 19:38:17 UTC 2020

"riding the current ride in open data" - I am confused what is the meaning of that

"scripting support for botmakers" - as a bot operator and a bot author I am confused what is
supposed to be missing

"support for references and linking interactively to other data sources" - we have that,
see wikidata tag for example

"talk pages if we want that for every osmid" - changeset comments and notes
seem sufficient

"SPARQL support" - we have already some wikidata/OSM query engine and overpass turbo
And frankly Overpass is much nicer that SPARQL (this may be just me).

"Bots are very useful" - maybe, but it is 100% possible to have bots already so I am 
confused why it is mentioned

"possibility we don't have today regarding integration with e.g. wikidata." - given
what kind of ideas appear thanks to current wikidata integration (like deprecating name tag)
I prefer reducing wikidata integration rather than deepening it (or, the best solution - keep it as is)

Aug 9, 2020, 21:01 by pangose at riseup.net:

> Could you reply with your arguments in favor of the current one2one tag model system in the other thread where I listed the benefits as I see them?
> E.g. permanent unique ids, talk pages if we want that for every osmid, SPARQL support, standardization benefits "riding the current ride in open data", scripting support for botmakers, and above all support for references and linking interactively to other data sources.
> Bots are very useful e.g. to notify an editor of a possible tagging mistake or checking urls of references. Martin could also reference an image in Wikimedia commons directly on the statement it relates to.
> Unique Qids for every osm object that is decoupled from the underlying osmid gives some possibility we don't have today regarding integration with e.g. wikidata. 
> Cheers
> Mateusz Konieczny via talk <talk at openstreetmap.org> skrev: (9 augusti 2020 20:14:03 CEST)
>> It still fails to provide even a single benefit over the current situation.
>> Aug 9, 2020, 20:11 by pangose at riseup.net:
>>> -------- Originalmeddelande --------
>>> Från: pangoSE 
>>> Skickat: 9 augusti 2020 15:40:41 CEST
>>> Till: talk at openstreetmap.org
>>> Ämne: Re: [OSM-talk] Roadmap for deprecation of name tags in OSM
>>> This is another good reason to abandon this suggestion in favor of our own wikibase instance.
>>> Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk> skrev: (9 augusti 2020 15:12:21 CEST)
>>> >On Sun, 2020-08-09 at 09:04 -0400, James wrote:
>>>>> Not to mention if someone wants to add a name for a new item/object,
>>>>> does the user need to create a wikidata item on top of it? Will the
>>>>> editor do it automatically? How does it pick the right one? Does it
>>>>> offer a list to the user? This is going to make osm a massive turn
>>>>> off to new contributors on the steep learning curve(which is already
>>>>> pretty high) to contributing to osm.
>>>>> This whole idea is really terrible and could just be offered as a
>>>>> post-processed data set: wikidata? use that instead of name tag.
>>> >This leads me to a fairly fundamental question, what if a mapper does
>>> >not want to be associated with wikidata and refuses to sign up?
>>> >Phil (trigpoint)
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