[OSM-talk] I’m running for OSMF board and I’ve set up office hours for questions

Wed Dec 2 04:18:36 UTC 2020

Hi Michal,

I have a second question on #1

Given the community concern about the lack of ‘community required attribution’ by Facebook (and other major corporations) do you think it would be beneficial for Facebook to take a corporate lead in updating attribution to that accepted by the community, without the need for further guidelines. I have found that when requested politely to update the attribution as requested at https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright, most organisations do the right thing by the community.

Cheers – Phil (tastrax)

From: Michal Migurski <mike at teczno.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2020 2:36 PM
To: Talk <talk at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] I’m running for OSMF board and I’ve set up office hours for questions

Great questions, thanks Mateusz!

I’ll start with #2 because the answer is very straightforward: I would recuse myself from cases where there is a conflict of interest between the OpenStreetMap Foundation and my employer or other organizations whose boards I serve on (currently PlanScore, Facebook, GreenInfo Network, and Digital Democracy).

#1 is a two-parter.

Facebook is in compliance with the ODbL license which requires that attribution be “reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware” of OSM’s contribution to a map. FB’s attribution approach in keeping with best practices seen from other commercial users of display maps.

Parts of the community have expressed a desire to see attribution that goes beyond the ODbL. OSMF and its LWG have been developing new OSM-specific attribution guidelines since late 2019 with proposed rules for different screen sizes, number of clicks, and privileged position of OSM contributors relative to other data sources. Currently, these are not yet finalized. Once these are released, Facebook would revisit attribution decisions in light of the wishes of the OSMF.

I hope this answers your questions!

-mike.

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On Dec 1, 2020, at 9:12 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via talk <talk at openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk at openstreetmap.org> > wrote:

(1)

In 2019 you answered

"we’re moving toward a consolidated approach to maps at Facebook. Thus, you will soon

see us take a more uniform approach to the way we handle attribution across all map

surfaces across the company"

to question[1] about illegal OSM data use (without proper attribution) by Facebook, MAPS.ME

and Moovit[2].

Do you consider current attribution used by Facebook as sufficient and displayed to all users,

as required by ODBL license?

(2)

Would you recuse yourself from cases where there is conflict of interest between OSM

and Facebook?

For example on issues such us

- enforcing attribution requirements

- protecting OSMF from takeover by corporations, such as Facebook

- handling paid/organized editing

?

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM19/Election_to_Board/Answers_and_manifestos

[2] MAPS.ME still has insufficient attribution, with 1.5 sec flash on opening and "MAPS.ME"

attribution otherwise, Moovit fixed its attribution in Android app

Nov 30, 2020, 21:04 by mike at teczno.com <mailto:mike at teczno.com> :

Absolutely!

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On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:53 AM, Mateusz Konieczny via talk <talk at openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk at openstreetmap.org> > wrote:

Is it also OK to ask questions also in public via mailing list?

Nov 30, 2020, 20:00 by mike at teczno.com <mailto:mike at teczno.com> :

Hi everyone,

I’m excited to be running for the OSMF board this year! In 2021, OSM’s community has two opportunities to grow stronger together: we should make the OSM organization support a wider diversity of participants and we must succeed at starting to manage our technical operations professionally.

I’d like to make myself available for conversations with anyone who has questions about my candidacy, manifesto, priorities, or really anything else. I did this last year when I ran and ended up having a few really fun conversations with community members. I’m blocking these four times over the next two weeks prior to the close of voting and AGM on Dec 12; get in touch via email if you’d like to chat by text, voice, or video!

• Dec 1, 16:00 PST – https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201201T16&p1=388&ah=1> &iso=20201201T16&p1=388&ah=1

• Dec 3, 8:00 PST – https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201203T08&p1=388&ah=1> &iso=20201203T08&p1=388&ah=1

• Dec 4, 16:00 PST – https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201205T16&p1=388&ah=1> &iso=20201205T16&p1=388&ah=1

• Dec 9, 8:00 PST – https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours <https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=OSMF+Campaign+Office+Hours&iso=20201209T08&p1=388&ah=1> &iso=20201209T08&p1=388&ah=1 

Read my complete manifesto on the Wiki for more about why I think I’d make a good OSMF board member: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM20/Election_to_Board/Answers_and_manifestos/Michal_Migurski#Manifesto 

-mike.

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