[OSM-talk] I’m running for OSMF board and I’ve set up office hours for questions

ndrw6 ndrw6 at redhazel.co.uk
Fri Dec 4 16:04:31 UTC 2020

Since you asked, I am a company employee myself and I fully support Michal in following his company's official position. We are not talking about a matter that would warrant whistleblowing, we disagree on an interpretation of a license term we all agree is not very specific. All interpretations are arbitrary, to know which one of them is (legally) right we would have to take Facebook to court.

I agree with most of you that unless Facebook changes their position to something much more proactive and aligned with the spirit of the project, no one from the company should be allowed on the OSMF board. If, however, Michal had managed to convince the company to do just that, it would make him, as a Facebook employee, a very strong candidate.

Conversely, if Michal had left his job to avoid a conflict of interest, he would obviously qualify but he wouldn't bring nearly as much value to OSMF.


On 4 December 2020 13:27:58 GMT, Christoph Hormann <osm at imagico.de> wrote:
>Danke, dass Du dich hier noch mal ganz eindeutig für jegliche
>Verantwortungs-Position in OpenStreetMap disqualifizierst.
>Zum Verständnis:  Zunächst fällt Michal zum Thema Attribution nichts
>anderes ein, als mechanisch-roboterhaft die Formulierungen anderer
>nachzuplappern.  Die Frage nach der eigenen Meinung, ob Facebook bei
>seiner derzeitigen Datennutzung den Anforderungen der Quellennennung
>von OpenStreetMap genügt, wird geflissentlich ignoriert.  Eine eigene
>Überzeugung zum Thema ist offensichtlich nicht vorhanden.
>Und dann schmeißt der Kandidat zum Abschluss noch einmal wild mit Dreck
>um sich, wobei er sein Ziel um Meilen verfehlt und stattdessen als
>Kollateralschaden Mateusz und Mikel trifft - stevea hat das bereits
>recht gut und ausführlich erklärt.
>Zum Abschluss: Was mich freuen würde ist, wenn hier mal ein paar andere
>Mitarbeiter von Großunternehmen auftauchen würden und deutlich machten,
>dass das keine Haltung ist, die sie unterstützen.  Wer in der
>OSM-Community als Angestellter von Unternehmen im OSM-Umfeld nicht nur
>als Vertreter seines Arbeitgebers, sondern auch als Individuum
>wahrgenommen werden möchte, muss zumindest gelegentlich auch deutlich
>machen, dass er oder sie Überzeugungen und Werte vertreten, die nicht
>gegenüber dem Gehalts-Scheck zurückgestellt werden.  Dies wäre eine
>gute Gelegenheit dafür.
>Non-authoritive English translation from deepl:
>Thanks for disqualifying yourself for any position of responsibility in
>For understanding: First of all, Michal can't think of anything else to
>say about attribution but to mechanically and robotically parrot the
>phrases of others.  The question of his own opinion whether Facebook,
>with its current data usage, meets the requirements of source
>attribution in OpenStreetMap is deliberately ignored.  There is
>obviously no own conviction on the subject.
>And then the candidate throws dirt around wildly at the end, missing
>his target by miles and instead hitting Mateusz and Mikel as collateral
>damage - stevea has already explained this quite well and in detail.
>At the end: What would make me happy is if a few other employees of
>large companies would show up here and make it clear that this is not
>an attitude they support.  If you want to be perceived in the OSM
>community as an employee of companies in the OSM environment, not only
>as a representative of your employer, but also as an individual, you
>have to make it clear, at least occasionally, that he or she represents
>beliefs and values that are not put on the back burner compared to the
>paycheck.  This would be a good opportunity for this.
>Christoph Hormann 
>talk mailing list
>talk at openstreetmap.org
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