[OSM-talk] Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behavior in the OSM Community

[Martin Constantino–Bodin]

I feel that I’m arguing against a wall, as Florimond seems to 
categorically refuse to read the Wikipedia references I’m sending. But 
if he thinks that way, there must be other people in the list thinking 
as-is. Hopefully, some of these would accept to read some sources 
(especially when it start citing a lot of studies showing that no, 
“anti-white racism” is not a thing).
>
>     Le fait est que les européens (et plus particulièrement un profil
>     bien précis — blanc, masculin, anglophone, etc. dont je fais
>     d’ailleurs moi-même pas mal parti) sont surreprésentés sur cette
>     liste, et malheureusement viennent bien souvent avec des
>     comportements « grande gueule » ou pire. Reconnaitre ce fait n’est
>     pas haineux : c’est juste factuel.
>
> Racism is not about saying that "white" people are doing stuff 
> together, it's saying that "white" people "has led to" bad behaviours 
> (implication between a skin color and behaviour).
>
>     Je trouve assez inquiétant que plusieurs réponses à cet appel
>     confondent une reconnaissance factuelle avec des propos haineux :
>     rien que cela donne une idée de l’étendue du problème ☹
>
> And do you understand how I was devastated to read such violent words, 
> and seeing 300 people agreeing with it ?
> That worries me way more.
>
> I have a rule of thumb : don't talk about others' skin color.

What Florimond seems to fail to understand is that this call comes from 
actual terrible experiences in this mailing list. The participants of 
this call are trying to understand where this comes from… and there seem 
to be a huge correlation between the European male OSM population and 
the offendants. In contrary to what Forimond is sayig, this call is not 
saying that being a member of this population is a sufficient clause, 
but it states that it seems to be necessary given the experience of the 
offended people (with this meaning of sufficient and necessary: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency ). The issue is 
not the skin color, it’s the associated privileges, and the failure of 
recognising as such. These violent words come from people’s experiences, 
and failing to recognise this is definitively an issue.

Regards,
Martin.

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