[OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Bombing, AT&T building, Nashville, Tennessee, USA.

[Chuck Sanders]

If the locations are known, yes. American-specific detailed explanation
follows:

As government security training explains, if you'd ever had it, it's the
responsibility of government employees to keep their own secrets. If
something like current data on silo locations got out to be mapped, they
have already failed. That is the responsibility of the person or persons
who caused the security breach, not the mapper. (And yes, there would be a
full effort to identify those persons.)

As a private individual, you only have an obligation here if you were a
government employee or clearance holder, both of which come with security
obligations that being a private citizen does not. In those specific cases,
if you find classified information mapped, you are actually obligated to
report it. However, that is a responsibility that comes with being an
employee or clearance holder, not a burden that applies to the general
public.

The point is, once that kind of information becomes public enough to be
found and mapped in the first place, your attempt at security through
obscurity has already fully failed. You can't put that cat back in the bag.
That is one large part of why trying to go back and "hide" this kind of
information after the fact is incredibly misguided.

Chuck

On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 11:48 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk <
talk at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> ? do we map missile silos ?
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> Sunday, December 27, 2020 10:33 AM -06:00 from Chuck Sanders <
> nathhad at gmail.com>:
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> I agree strongly with Steve.
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> "Security through obscurity" has never been a particularly effective
> strategy anyway. It can work for small things with a great amount of
> effort, or big things with a massive amount of effort ... sometimes.
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> What's more, as mappers, it's absolutely not our place to do someone
> else's security through obscurity *for them*, and doubly so when unasked.
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> And all those military bases? They're all mapped ... On every mapping
> service, not just OSM. Hence, definitely not an example of why a
> corporation's buildings covered in logos would be something to remove.
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> Chuck
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> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020, 10:39 AM Steve Friedl <steve at unixwiz.net
> <//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3asteve at unixwiz.net>> wrote:
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> This is nonsense; the building in Nashville has a HUGE AT&T logo on it, so
> this is no kind of secret.
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> If somebody on the ground  can tell it’s an AT&T building, it should be
> tagged as an AT&T building.
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> *From:* 80hnhtv4agou--- via talk <talk at openstreetmap.org
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> because nobody knows where there at, like a military base, unless you live
> in the area.
> and now there under guard.
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> Sunday, December 27, 2020 9:01 AM -06:00 from Steve Friedl <
> steve at unixwiz.net <//e.mail.ru/compose/?mailto=mailto%3asteve at unixwiz.net>
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> The building is still there, and why would we untag ALL AT&T buldings?
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> Do we have the responsibility to un-tag, delete all AT&T building.
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> Do we have the responsibility to un-tag, delete all AT&T building.
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