[OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

[Alan Mackie]

This conversation is petty, repetitive and tedious in the extreme, but as
that seems to be the order of the day:
OSM was founded in London, ALL the keys are in English which is used far
more as a means of international exchange than a niche euro-centric
language invented in the late 19th century. It makes more sense for the
'fallback language" to be in English than something with no non-bilingual
native speakers and a miniscule number of people using it as a second
language. Lofty aspirations alone do not make something common, shared or
universal, it actually has to be used too, and what you are suggesting is
used so little as to be a rounding error.
If you want the whole map in something more "common" then feel free to
download the database, translate ALL the tags and relaunch your forked
version. It won't cost very much in hosting because no one will use it.
Nearly everyone else seems happy with the status quo and those that aren't
are willing to look for consensus and follow the usual processes, not just
repeat themselves endlessly without making any new points.
Mechanical edits no not need to be automated, they just need to be mindless
or done with little thought. I would link to video on this, but alas it is
in English and I will not expend the effort finding something you will
likely refuse on principle.


On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 at 21:35, Tomek <tomek at disroot.org> wrote:

> W dniu 20-02-18 o 05:48, Joseph Eisenberg pisze:
>
> Since this issue is somewhat controversial, it would be best to create
> a proposal page to suggest the proper way to tag continents, oceans
> and seas - these tags were never formally discussed, and have some
> problems.
>
> Estas maloportune, ke estas facile aldoni erarajn datumojn al OSM, sed por
> forigi ilin bezonas fari specialan paĝon ĉe vikio.
>
> W dniu 20-02-18 o 05:48, Joseph Eisenberg pisze:
>
> This includes "systematic edits to the database by other means without
> consideration of each change. This policy also applies to substantial
> changes made using 'find and replace' or similar functions within
> standard editors such as JOSM" - so I believe this would be the case
> for editing all the seas and oceans.
>
> Mi volas redakti ĉiujn punktojn individue, konsiderante ĉiun ŝanĝon, do
> mia redakto ne kvalifikos kiel “aŭtomata redakto”.
>
> W dniu 20-02-18 o 07:09, Joseph Eisenberg pisze:
>
> - for continents, oceans, poles, and seas bordering any state, I will
>
> completely remove this marker.
>
> I'm almost certain that this translation is wrong. It doesn't make sense.
>
> Could you check the correct translation of "por kontinentoj, oceanoj,
> polusoj kaj maroj kiuj apudas al neniu lando, tute forigi tiun ĉi
> etikedon."
>
> Does this mean "... NOT bordering any country"? That's what Google
> translate suggests: " for continents, oceans, poles and seas that are
> next to none country, completely remove this tag."
>
> (Still wrong but at least I can understand it... That's the problem
> with relying on automated translation software... it doesn't work
> well.)
>
> Aŭtomataj tradukiloj ne funkcias bone, do anstataŭ uzi ilin, ni ĉiu parolu
> en komuna internacia lingvo, tia lingvo aperis en la jaro 1887.
>
> W dniu 20-02-18 o 09:47, Frederik Ramm pisze:
>
> I don't have strong feelings about this but for the sake of usability I
> think I'd leave the name in place. Even though English is not my mother
> tongue I have absolutely no problem with having a name tag on an
> international thing in English.
>
> In fact I believe I have a bigger problem with people for whom this
> English name is a problem, because I would regard that attitude as
> fundamentalist and quarrelsome. I'd prefer if they find other
> battlegrounds to fight for justice than OSM.
>
> Uzeblo? Mi diris tion antaŭe: redaktiloj iD k JOSM, aplikaĵo OsmAnd (kaj
> probable aliaj programoj) uzas tradukitajn etikedojn “name:LINGVO”. Mi ne
> havus problemon, se ĉiuj nomoj en OSM estu en la pola lingvo.
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