[OSM-talk] [Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

[Florimond Berthoux]

Le mer. 26 févr. 2020 à 13:16, Maarten Deen <mdeen at xs4all.nl> a écrit :

> On 2020-02-26 12:34, Florimond Berthoux wrote:
> > The problem is not the OSM "default" (there is no default) map.
> > OSM is *not* a map !
> >
> > The problem is the data put in name tag of some objects, which are not
> > respectful with the international idea of the project.
>
> I find it a stretch to say that someone mapping someting and putting in
> the english name is not respectful to the idea of the project. No one
> else but him was bothered enough to put anything in. He mapped it and
> that is more than enough to respect also the international idea of the
> project (i.c. someone not from or near country X did some mapping in or
> near country X).
>

I'm not judging people, just thinking that these data is against the idea
of the project.


>
> The problem with the local names is what has already been said a few
> times: which name do you put in? If the object borders 2 countries, will
> it be two names with a / between them? If the objects borders 10
> countries, will it be 10 names with a / between them? If the object is
> the atlantic ocean, what then?
> Will it be nothing in the name tag and are we then going to complain
> that the opencarto style falls back to name:en?
>
> I just hope it will not turn into an edit war if there is no answer to
> that.
>

Well, there's probably no perfect answer, but still better than just one
language for no reason.
If there is not much language used locally to name the object, well yes
just put those languages in the name tag.
It already the case for many examples: in Morocco every thing has three
names, for the Channel, for Golfe de Gascogne between France and Spain...
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=6/39.529/-2.362
In Morocco they don't use a token to separate languages, but the alphabets
used are different making it easier to read.
When only latin alphabet languages are used, it seems that '/' is used most
of the time, tough '-' is also used around the Baltic Sea area
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=7/61.562/23.582
May be '-' is not the best token to used, since it might be used inside a
name.

For international object with many 'local' languages next to it, like
Atlantic Ocean. We have two choices : everything or none.
Everything option can be long, and may not fit into the 255 characters
limitation, but why not as long we have every languages ?
None is fine for me too.

Regards,


> Regards,
> Maarten
>
> >
> > Le mar. 25 févr. 2020 à 22:57, Mario Frasca <mario at anche.no> a
> > écrit :
> >
> >> I'm afraid that the conclusion you summarize here is not at all
> >> reached.
> >>
> >> we have reached the conclusion on the pointless point: "we discuss
> >> in English".
> >>
> >> as for the values of the `name` tag:
> >>
> >> I prefer to see "Adriatic Sea" rather than nothing.
> >>
> >> I prefer "Mare Adriatico" to "Adriatic Sea".
> >>
> >> I definitely question the choice of the editor who wrote "Gulf of
> >> Trieste" for a piece of sea that borders with Italy (in an area
> >> where Friuls is a recognized language), and Slovenia.
> >>
> >> and I have suggested that the problem would vaporize if we added a
> >> language identifier to the tile request.
> >>
> >> I'm very much interested in reading reactions to this.
> >>
> >> MF
> >> On 25/02/2020 16:10, Tomek wrote:
> >>
> >> W dniu 20-02-25 o 21:52, stevea pisze:
> >>
> >> I believe I speak for many, most, or even all of us here (except
> >> Tomek) that "this is a settled matter."
> >> SteveA
> >>
> >> Sprawa rozwiązana, każdy mówi w jakim języku chce, a znacznik
> >> “name” z
> >> obiektów międzynarodowych zostanie usunięty, z wyjątkiem mórz
> >> graniczących z państwami.
> >> Dziękuję za dyskusję
> >>
> >> La problemo estas solvita, ĉiu povas paroli en iu ajn lingvo; kaj
> >> la
> >> etikedo “name” el internaciaj objektoj estos forigita, escepte
> >> de maroj
> >> apudaj al landoj.
> >> Dankon por diskuto
> >>
> >> The problem is solved, everyone can speak in any language; and the
> >> tag
> >> “name” from international objects will be deleted, except of
> >> seas
> >> adjacent to the countries.
> >> Thank you for discussion
> >>
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