[OSM-talk] #AttributionIsNotOptional experiment on OSM France tile servers

[Yves]

To me, the most important in attribution is to make potential contributors aware of the project. So the overlap is not that small in this regard. 

Yves 

Le 8 mars 2020 12:12:48 GMT+01:00, Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch> a écrit :
>Just for the record:
>
>Enforcing attribution for services that you are providing directly (aka
>tiles in some form) only has a small overlap with the goals of the
>attribution guideline, and the avenues open to you depend on your ToUs
>/
>contracts with your users and the legal situation in the countries you
>are providing the service in.
>
>I would be very very wary of doing anything that deliberately defaces a
>web site without consulting with a local (to the country the web site
>is
>in) lawyer, particularly if the message implies wrong doing. The safe,
>I
>admit also the less fun, option, is to simply block access after giving
>any required notice.
>
>Simon 
>
>Am 08.03.2020 um 11:04 schrieb Yves:
>> This looks at first as a nuisance that could be perceived as a bad
>> move, but the feedback you're receiving rather prove the contrary.
>> Well done!
>> Ps: would you share your nginx partial redirect, I may consider it
>for
>> Opensnowmap tiles policy?
>>
>> Le 8 mars 2020 10:14:58 GMT+01:00, Christian Quest
>> <cquest at openstreetmap.fr> a écrit :
>>
>>     Here is a hort report on this experiment...
>>
>>     I started a week ago by searching OSM France tile server logs for
>>     referer and checked manually if the map on the refering page was
>>     correctly attributed.
>>
>>     This allowed me to create a short list of 20 entries of sites
>>     using the french styled tiles and the humanitarian tiles (yes, it
>>     is made by OSM France).
>>
>>
>>     I then modified our nginx based proxy_cache configuration, to
>>     redirect some tiles to an "attribution tile" only for the domain
>>     in the list.
>>
>>     For two of them, I tweeted about it... the most visible one is
>the
>>     moroco yellow page service, generating a little less than a
>>     million daily tile requests on our servers.
>>
>>     https://twitter.com/cq94/status/1234516075695525888
>>
>>     In less than 24 hours, the attribution appeared and I removed
>them
>>     from the list.
>>
>>     https://twitter.com/cq94/status/1234779931537739776
>>
>>
>>     Then I included an email address in the attribution reminder
>>     tile... and got emails back within a few hours.
>>
>>     Some were asking how to do the attribution, others telling me the
>>     attribution was now ok and asking how to remove the reminder
>tiles.
>>
>>     In my answers, I also remind that our tile service made by
>>     volunteers on donated hardware is not unlimited and inviting them
>>     to have a look at switch2osm to setup their own tile server or
>use
>>     a commercial provider.
>>
>>     Up to now, nobody complained :)
>>
>>
>>     Yesterday, I've started automating attribution checking using
>>     selenium. For each referer, a python script loads the page,
>>     searches for tiles, then looks for attribution text or link. The
>>     result is stored in a postgresql database which allows to group
>>     referers by url, hostname and ip.
>>
>>     The attribution percentage I currently see is around 70-80% which
>>     is not that bad.
>>
>>     My next major step is to use the same technique to remind about
>>     tile usage policy...
>>
>>
>>     To do something similar on osm.org, a first step is to extract
>>     referers from the cache logs, then use the automated attribution
>>     check to evaluate the situation.
>>
>>
>>     Le 08/03/2020 à 01:52, Nuno Caldeira a écrit :
>>>     That would be a good option for those that use third party
>>>     providers of OSM. But to be honest, from my experience I highly
>>>     doubt that even corporate members of OSMF, like Mapbox would do
>>>     it, when their client Facebook (also corporate member of OSMF)
>>>     after one year and half, still has maps with lack of attribution
>>>     or attributed to HERE, when it's clearly OSM. 
>>>
>>>     On Sun, 8 Mar 2020, 00:46 Phil Wyatt, <phil at wyatt-family.com
>>>     <mailto:phil at wyatt-family.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         I am sure others may have seen this 'blacklist'
>>>         implementation for showing a reminder about attribution.
>>>
>>>         https://twitter.com/cq94/status/1234528717604577282
>>>
>>>         Worthy of consideration for openstreetmap.org
>>>         <http://openstreetmap.org>?
>>>
>>>         Cheers - Phil
>>>
>>     -- 
>>     Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France
>>
>>
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