[OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki: "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import

[Joseph Eisenberg]

> I don't think that swiching from addr:* to object:* on these objects is correctly described by the term "mechanical edit".

Yes it was a mechanic/automated edit, because you switched all the tags at once

Not all mechanical edits are bad:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/What%27s_the_problem_with_mechanical_edits%3F

It sounds like you followed the Automated Edits code of conduct by
discussing the change with the local community first, and you mainly
edited objects that you had personally helped to map, so that is a
good example of an automated edit which was done according to best
practices:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct

-- Joseph Eisenberg

On 3/18/20, Harald Schwarz <harald.malte.schwarz at gmx.de> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> the creation of the object:* tagging was the result of many remarks and
> disscussions. Most people agreed that the addr:* tag should be used
> only for buildings, shps, offices, etc.
>
> I thought that there was a need for an alternative addresing scheme that
> could be used without conflicting with the addr:* scheme.
> That was when I starteted to use the object:* scheme for the things I tagged
> in OSM.
>
> As I'm not only interrested in gas lamps but also in history culture and art
> I started to use this scheme for memorials and urban artwork.
> I conviced some people in my community to switch to this scheme and now more
> and more people use this scheme.
>
> I added a lot of Stolpersteine (memorial:type=stolperstein) and urban
> artwork (tourism=artwork) to the OSM database. All of them I visited
> personly and photos of this objects can be found on wikimedia commons.
>
> I have a very personal relation to these obects, visiting them in real
> world, during hot or cold weather, storing information about them
> to OSM in long concentrated sessions. I don't think that swiching from
> addr:* to object:* on these objects is correctly described by the
> term "mechanical edit".
>
> Mechanical edits are problematic in OSM as there might be change on
> something that doesn't exist anymore or needs a new survey at the place in
> real world.
> As I walk all this object from time to time, veryfing they still exist, I
> think that it is not ok to call my changes mechanical edits in the normal
> OSM sense.
>
> Friendly Greetings
>   Harald Schwarz
>   black_bike
>
>
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. März 2020 um 02:03 Uhr
>> Von: "Joseph Eisenberg" <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
>> An: "Harald Schwarz" <harald.malte.schwarz at gmx.de>
>> Betreff: Re: Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki:
>> "import" for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import
>>
>> Thank you for the information, Harald.
>>
>> > The peak in the graph, that you think indicates an import, is the result
>> > of switching fom the addr:*-style to the object:*-style.
>>
>> So it was not an import, but rather a mechanical edit. I will update
>> the object: page with this info.
>>
>> Do you know if a mechanical edit was also done for historic=memorial
>> features (with object:housenumber etc) around that time?
>>
>> -- Joseph Eisenberg
>>
>> On 3/18/20, Harald Schwarz <harald.malte.schwarz at gmx.de> wrote:
>> > Dear Joseph, dear readers of this list,
>> >
>> > as you mention the street lamps of Düsseldorf here and thinking that
>> > they
>> > were an import to the OSM-database,
>> > I can tell you that this was not the case.
>> >
>> > Many of he streets of Düsseldorf, city of about 600_000 inhabitants,
>> > capital
>> > of Northrhine-Westfalia, Germany are lit by gaslight.
>> > About 15_000 gas lamps spent their glooming light every night. Each of
>> > this
>> > lamps has found it's way into the OSM database
>> > and even the status of streets lit by gaslight can be found in OSM.
>> >
>> > But this was not done by an import. It was a process, lasting many
>> > years,
>> > walking all the streets, stopping at every
>> > single gas lamp, taking photos and gps coordinates, later manualy
>> > storing
>> > the data to osm.
>> > The peak in the graph, that you think indicates an import, is the result
>> > of
>> > switching fom the addr:*-style to the object:*-style.
>> >
>> > Infos about the Düsseldorf Gaslight you can find in the OSM-Wiki under:
>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/D%C3%BCsseldorf/Projekte/Gaslaternen
>> > You can watch the talk I gave at FOSSGIS 2019, Dresden :
>> > https://media.ccc.de/v/fossgis2019-556-erfassung-der-dsseldorfer-gasbeleuchtung
>> > .
>> >
>> > Mapping the gas lamps with OSM helped a lot to reach the status of
>> > national
>> > techical heritage.
>> > For this purpose maps and lists of all gas lamps in a suburb, in a
>> > street
>> > were created.
>> > This would not have been possible without the object:street tag.
>> >
>> > The object:* tag is not only useful for street lamps but can be used
>> > for
>> > memorials, urban artwork, technical infrastructure and many other
>> > things.
>> > Take a close look and see that other mappers started to use this tag
>> > for
>> > their own needs.
>> >
>> > With friendly greetings
>> >    Harald Schwarz
>> >    black_bike
>> >
>> >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 18. März 2020 um 00:17 Uhr
>> >> Von: "Joseph Eisenberg" <joseph.eisenberg at gmail.com>
>> >> An: talk at openstreetmap.org
>> >> Betreff: Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed new status for tags in the wiki:
>> >> "import"
>> >> for undiscussed tags that were only used by an import
>> > ....
>> >>
>> >> Besides the tags mentioned above, I was thinking about tags like
>> >> "object:postcode=" and "object:housenumber" - this tag is only used in
>> >> Germany on "highway=street_lamp" features which appear to have been
>> >> imported mostly in 2015: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:object
>> >> and see taghistory:
>> >> https://taghistory.raifer.tech/#***/object:postcode/ and
>> >>
>> >> So, though the usage numbers are moderately high, it is helpful to
>> >> know that these tags are not really being used, except in that
>> >> particular context. Apparently it makes sense in the context of the
>> >> addressing system there, at least according to the mappers who
>> >> imported the objects.
>> > ....
>> >>
>> >> -- Joseph Eisenberg
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
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