[OSM-talk] North Sea (was: Re: Persian/Arabian Gulf Tagging)

[Maarten Deen]

Mer Germanique sounds more like it applies to the German Bight, Tyske Bugt.

https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyske_Bugt

Regards,
Maarten

> Op 09-12-2021 13:39 schreef Niels Elgaard Larsen <elgaard at agol.dk>:
> 
>  
> På Thu, 9 Dec 2021 14:46:57 +0300
> Mostafa Ahangarha <ahangarha at riseup.net> skrev:
> >On 12/9/21 2:08 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote:
> >> If there is a verifiable local name and what that name is, is the
> >> subject to decide on.  This question requires familiarity with and
> >> local knowledge of the region.  People from Europe and North America
> >> who 'know' what the name is only from their TV news and newspapers
> >> are not qualified to answer that question.
> >>   
> >
> >The point is that this gulf is much more that something to be claimed
> >by its neighboring countries. Legally, countries have claim on certain 
> >depth of it as their territory and beyond that is international water. 
> >Who can name this international water? By referring to International 
> >name I don't necessarily mean people (who get these info not just from 
> >TV but also text book and other sources, indicting that this is the 
> >common name used there) but also in formal sphere.
> 
> 
> Yes, exactly.
> 
> For example the North Sea is called Vesterhavet (The West Sea) here in
> Denmark. 
> Historically the Dutch named it Nordzee. And we Danes just have to
> accept that the dutch name stuck internationally.
> 
> Now that I look it up, I see that in french OSM have it as "Mer
> Germanique" whereas in fr.Wikipedia it is  "Mer du Nord". But I will
> leave that to native french speaking contributors.
> 
> 
> 
> >There has been different reasons historically why a certain name is 
> >chosen for a given place. We cannot close our eyes and overnight come 
> >and change that name.
> >
> >This Gulf historically was called Persian Gulf. We can even find its 
> >trace in some of formal documents in the region. And even today, this 
> >gulf is called Persian Gulf internationally. Sure we can find Arabian 
> >gulf as well but in terms of number and ratio I don't think one can
> >make a reasonable comparison.
> >
> >So if this water body, historically and internationally has a common 
> >name, who is there to change this name? How can we come and ask 
> >everybody to call it something else? How can I wipe history like this? 
> >This water body doesn't belong to any of its neighboring countries so 
> >that decision for its name should come from what the international 
> >society determine.
> >
> 
> 
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