[OSM-talk] North Sea (was: Re: Persian/Arabian Gulf Tagging)

[Yves]

Mer Germanique sounds like a tagging error, there is no such thing in common french.
Yves (FR) 

Le 9 décembre 2021 16:14:04 GMT+01:00, Maarten Deen <mdeen at xs4all.nl> a écrit :
>Mer Germanique sounds more like it applies to the German Bight, Tyske Bugt.
>
>https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyske_Bugt
>
>Regards,
>Maarten
>
>> Op 09-12-2021 13:39 schreef Niels Elgaard Larsen <elgaard at agol.dk>:
>> 
>>  
>> På Thu, 9 Dec 2021 14:46:57 +0300
>> Mostafa Ahangarha <ahangarha at riseup.net> skrev:
>> >On 12/9/21 2:08 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote:
>> >> If there is a verifiable local name and what that name is, is the
>> >> subject to decide on.  This question requires familiarity with and
>> >> local knowledge of the region.  People from Europe and North America
>> >> who 'know' what the name is only from their TV news and newspapers
>> >> are not qualified to answer that question.
>> >>   
>> >
>> >The point is that this gulf is much more that something to be claimed
>> >by its neighboring countries. Legally, countries have claim on certain 
>> >depth of it as their territory and beyond that is international water. 
>> >Who can name this international water? By referring to International 
>> >name I don't necessarily mean people (who get these info not just from 
>> >TV but also text book and other sources, indicting that this is the 
>> >common name used there) but also in formal sphere.
>> 
>> 
>> Yes, exactly.
>> 
>> For example the North Sea is called Vesterhavet (The West Sea) here in
>> Denmark. 
>> Historically the Dutch named it Nordzee. And we Danes just have to
>> accept that the dutch name stuck internationally.
>> 
>> Now that I look it up, I see that in french OSM have it as "Mer
>> Germanique" whereas in fr.Wikipedia it is  "Mer du Nord". But I will
>> leave that to native french speaking contributors.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> >There has been different reasons historically why a certain name is 
>> >chosen for a given place. We cannot close our eyes and overnight come 
>> >and change that name.
>> >
>> >This Gulf historically was called Persian Gulf. We can even find its 
>> >trace in some of formal documents in the region. And even today, this 
>> >gulf is called Persian Gulf internationally. Sure we can find Arabian 
>> >gulf as well but in terms of number and ratio I don't think one can
>> >make a reasonable comparison.
>> >
>> >So if this water body, historically and internationally has a common 
>> >name, who is there to change this name? How can we come and ask 
>> >everybody to call it something else? How can I wipe history like this? 
>> >This water body doesn't belong to any of its neighboring countries so 
>> >that decision for its name should come from what the international 
>> >society determine.
>> >
>> 
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