[OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: remove "surface=no data" and other useless surface values

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Mateusz,

 

I would not block any automated edit if it has popular backing. I just personally prefer manual edits that give me full control.

 

Given you are finding ‘tens of thousands’ of these issues are bots the best way or would it be better to concentrate on the editors and validators to ensure they don’t reoccur?

 

Again, go ahead if there some consensus on specific tags. 

 

Many of the errors are from years ago  and from one off mappers who may well have left the OSM project  altogether

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeandany/history#map=13/18.6626/-72.2393

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

From: Mateusz Konieczny via talk <talk at openstreetmap.org> 
Sent: Thursday, 28 July 2022 4:23 PM
Cc: 'OSM Talk' <talk at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed bot edit: remove "surface=no data" and other useless surface values

 

 

 

 

Jul 28, 2022, 07:33 by phil at wyatt-family.com <mailto:phil at wyatt-family.com> :

Hi Mateusz,

 

The bonus of a manual edit (or country based roulette challenge) is that you can also look for other no data or incorrect values at the same time

I know.

 

But I have massive queue (in thousands and tens of

thousands) of automatically detectable issues which are not reported by

mainstream validators, require fixes and fix requires review or

complete manual cleanup.

 

And alternative here to a bot edit is a semi-manual or manual edit

which only adds drudgery.

 

So blocking that bot edit would not be resulting in more improvements

overall, it would just force me to do manually what should be a bot edit,

leaving less time for issues where human attention is more useful.

 

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/189838973

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/182945712#map=18/-7.55221/110.29252

remaining problems would be detected by other filters (and looks like an effect

of a broken import)

 

How will you handle cases where they are the only tags on the objects?

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/843512464

surface tag would be removed, what would reveal problem with this object

in standard QA tools

 

as I already have seen this object I deleted it

In this case it looks like width and length are actually listed but with incorrect tagging

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/189838973

I do not plan to do anything with width and length tags, and would not notice 

this problem anyway

 

These are just a few that I had a quick look at

 

I know your specific interest is in smoothness but this shows the extent of collective bad tagging on objects that could be fixed on a single manual pass.

I case of manual mapping I would fix it in separate edits anyway

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