[OSM-talk] EG/Doxxing | Re: New moderation team & etiquette guidelines for talk@ & osmf-talk@ list

[Allan Mustard]

"Edit shaming" is any effort to humiliate or discourage a member of the 
OSM community from expressing a viewpoint, opinion, or fact, or 
otherwise to participate in OSM community affairs, due to said member's 
relatively low number of edits of the OSM geospatial database ("the 
map"). Hypothetical examples of "edit shaming" might be posts to the 
talk lists including such verbiage as:

"Who do you think you are to express an opinion on Topic X with only 863 
changesets under your belt?"
"Anyone with fewer than 5,000 changesets should not be allowed to run 
for the OSMF board."
"I don't think that you know what you are talking about, given that you 
have only ten days of mapping this year."

Some members of our community contribute in ways that do not involve 
mapping, including voluntary participation in working groups, 
operations, event organization, software development, and overall 
management of the foundation (*ahem*). Shaming such people because their 
mapping activity doesn't meet some other community member's view of what 
it should be to have credibility is unacceptable, intolerable, and will 
not be countenanced. In short, efforts to humiliate other community 
members on these grounds will rapidly draw the attention of the moderators.

This has nothing to do with a community member's command of English (or 
any other language) or with the quality of edits. The former is not a 
concern at all--we are not a book publisher--and quality of edits is the 
domain of the Data Working Group.

cheers,
Allan Mustard
apm-wa (only 82 mapping days with 349 changesets in the last year, a 
severe dropoff from years past)

On 6/9/2022 5:51 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> I send it also to _talk-owner at openstreetmap.org_
> in attempt to reach moderators
>
> 9 cze 2022, 19:51 od ajt1047 at gmail.com:
>
>     On 09/06/2022 18:30, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>>     I think “edit shaming” is supposed to mean “insulting or
>>     embarrassing someone for spelling, grammar or typographical
>>     mistakes” but it is not at all clear what the phrase means.
>>
>     Some extra definition would certainly help here (including perhaps
>     some examples) as otherwise translators into other languages are
>     going to struggle to understand what was meant.
>
>
> Clarification would be helpful as I was sure that it is about 
> complaining about
> bad edits. And unsure what actually is forbidden - for example is
>
> "HOT organised editing is a problem because quality of edits is very 
> often bad
> and HOT fails to either actually help newbie mappers, or verify their 
> edits.
> And HOT primarily tries to bring more newbie mappers and reach larger edit
> volume, instead of trying to improve quality and at least review all edits
> made as part of HOT organised mapping or focus on recruiting repeat 
> mappers
> who would map more than once."
>
> qualifying as banned edit shaming?
> (for reference: I consider above as a real issue and not an edit shaming
> Hmmm, maybe it would be useful to write to HOT - maybe I am wrong
> and just encountered the worst kind of HOT activity? Anyone knows
> what would be a good contact point? )
>
> Is "hahaha https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/122063728 is useless
> pointless armchair mapping and wrong, this line is not existing anymore,
> you should stop mapping" qualifying as banned edit shaming?
>
> (for reference: I linked my own edit and as far as I know this railway
> line exists, though I was never there. And I consider landuse=railway
> mapping as useful
> But if it would not be a deliberate example with myself as target then
> I would expect it to be an edit shaming - but it seems so rare
> and covered by other rules that I am unsure why it got a separate rule)
>
> Or is "hahaha, you missed 'an' article, stop posting" intended to be 
> banned
> by edit shaming? Also, why it got a separate rule?
>
> BTW, 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Etiquette/Etiquette_Guidelines#Edit_shaming
> never got any resposne.
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