[OSM-talk] EG/Doxxing | Re: New moderation team & etiquette guidelines for talk@ & osmf-talk@ list

Fri Jun 10 08:06:13 UTC 2022

"I am what I edit"?

I'm reading this and I think this is a topic for another discussion. How
the way you edit OSM and the amount of edits you make translates into
familiarity with OSM.

On the other hand, this is a very sensitive topic. Knowledge of a database,
especially one created by volunteers without a closed standard, is required
if you want to talk about it. Which means that, sometimes talking:

>  "I don't think that you know what you are talking about, given that you
have only ten days of mapping this year."

Is simply a statement of fact. (On the other hand, I have seen examples of
people who edit a lot, and their knowledge of the subject is, to put it
diplomatically, minimal.) In such a case, much depends on the context.

This is a topic where common sense is required, not a zero-one law. If we
believe in diversity and democracy, we cannot at the same time introduce
rules that restrict speech in this way.

pt., 10 cze 2022 o 08:37 Mateusz Konieczny via talk <talk at openstreetmap.org>
napisał(a):

> So expressing
> "Anyone who never, ever edited OSM is not my preferred candidate to OSMF
> board."
> would be also bannable offense?"
>
> or
>
> "I prefer OSMF board candidates who are active mappers with at least
> several
> edits in last year"?
>
> What about
> "Anyone with fewer than 15 mapping days in their life should not be
> allowed to
> join OSMF?"
>
> What about people expressing deep confidence what is annoying or
> problematic
> for mappers and who never ever edited?
>
> Is it also bannable to express it somewhere else?
>
> 10 cze 2022, 04:34 od allan at mustard.net:
>
> "Edit shaming" is any effort to humiliate or discourage a member of the
> OSM community from expressing a viewpoint, opinion, or fact, or otherwise
> to participate in OSM community affairs, due to said member's relatively
> low number of edits of the OSM geospatial database ("the map").
> Hypothetical examples of "edit shaming" might be posts to the talk lists
> including such verbiage as:
>
> "Who do you think you are to express an opinion on Topic X with only 863
> changesets under your belt?"
> "Anyone with fewer than 5,000 changesets should not be allowed to run for
> the OSMF board."
> "I don't think that you know what you are talking about, given that you
> have only ten days of mapping this year."
>
> Some members of our community contribute in ways that do not involve
> mapping, including voluntary participation in working groups, operations,
> event organization, software development, and overall management of the
> foundation (*ahem*). Shaming such people because their mapping activity
> doesn't meet some other community member's view of what it should be to
> have credibility is unacceptable, intolerable, and will not be
> countenanced. In short, efforts to humiliate other community members on
> these grounds will rapidly draw the attention of the moderators.
>
> This has nothing to do with a community member's command of English (or
> any other language) or with the quality of edits. The former is not a
> concern at all--we are not a book publisher--and quality of edits is the
> domain of the Data Working Group.
>
> cheers,
> Allan Mustard
> apm-wa (only 82 mapping days with 349 changesets in the last year, a
> severe dropoff from years past)
>
> On 6/9/2022 5:51 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
>
> I send it also to *talk-owner at openstreetmap.org
> <talk-owner at openstreetmap.org>*
> in attempt to reach moderators
>
> 9 cze 2022, 19:51 od ajt1047 at gmail.com:
>
> On 09/06/2022 18:30, Joseph Eisenberg wrote:
>
> I think “edit shaming” is supposed to mean “insulting or embarrassing
> someone for spelling, grammar or typographical mistakes” but it is not at
> all clear what the phrase means.
>
> Some extra definition would certainly help here (including perhaps some
> examples) as otherwise translators into other languages are going to
> struggle to understand what was meant.
>
>
> Clarification would be helpful as I was sure that it is about complaining
> about
> bad edits. And unsure what actually is forbidden - for example is
>
> "HOT organised editing is a problem because quality of edits is very often
> bad
> and HOT fails to either actually help newbie mappers, or verify their
> edits.
> And HOT primarily tries to bring more newbie mappers and reach larger edit
> volume, instead of trying to improve quality and at least review all edits
> made as part of HOT organised mapping or focus on recruiting repeat mappers
> who would map more than once."
>
> qualifying as banned edit shaming?
> (for reference: I consider above as a real issue and not an edit shaming
> Hmmm, maybe it would be useful to write to HOT - maybe I am wrong
> and just encountered the worst kind of HOT activity? Anyone knows
> what would be a good contact point? )
>
> Is "hahaha https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/122063728 is useless
> pointless armchair mapping and wrong, this line is not existing anymore,
> you should stop mapping" qualifying as banned edit shaming?
>
> (for reference: I linked my own edit and as far as I know this railway
> line exists, though I was never there. And I consider landuse=railway
> mapping as useful
> But if it would not be a deliberate example with myself as target then
> I would expect it to be an edit shaming - but it seems so rare
> and covered by other rules that I am unsure why it got a separate rule)
>
> Or is "hahaha, you missed 'an' article, stop posting" intended to be banned
> by edit shaming? Also, why it got a separate rule?
>
> BTW,
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Etiquette/Etiquette_Guidelines#Edit_shaming
> never got any resposne.
>
>
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