[OSM-talk] EG/Doxxing | Re: New moderation team &, etiquette guidelines for talk@ & osmf-talk@ list

[Allan Mustard]

Mateusz,

You pose two questions, whether the examples you offer might be bannable 
offenses, and whether expressing offensive opinions in other fora could 
result in a ban.

As to the first question, it would depend on whether another member of 
the community took offense to any of these statements and complained to 
the moderators, or whether the statements cross the line into 
"aggressive or abusive behaviour". In the latter case, the moderators 
are specifically charged by the Foundation with "calm[ing] down" or 
"block[ing]" such community members, proactively.[1]  My suggestion to 
you, and to everyone, is that before posting something, you reflect on 
whether your comment will unduly offend somebody else in the community 
as well as whether the language you choose will achieve your goal 
(making a point and persuading the rest of community to your point of 
view) or merely evoke negative reactions.

Further to the first question, permanent banning is an extreme act and 
is the final penalty after all other efforts to curb bad behaviour have 
been exhausted. The Etiquette Guidelines make this clear:

> Themoderators 
> <https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Mailing_lists&action=edit&redlink=1>for 
> the mailing lists will follow the guidelines below. For each 
> infraction an individual will be met with the following responses. 
> Which gradually become more direct up to the point where members may 
> be blocked.
>
>  1. Send polite mail to individual
>  2. Robust mail outlining what the issue is
>  3. Temporary block of 24 hours
>  4. 2nd block for one week with mediation with blocked individual
>  5. 3rd block, discussion between moderators about final block [1]
>
In other words, if somebody gets banned, that somebody will have had 
ample warning that the behaviour is offensive and needs to be changed.

As to the second question, the moderators are specifically charged with 
moderating discourse on the talk and osmf-talk lists. The moderators 
have no charge to deal with discourse in other fora. That said, I might 
remind you that abusive or aggressive rhetoric rarely accomplishes 
anything other than evoking negative emotions that are not conducive to 
engendering support for your point of view. In short, watch your tongue 
(keyboard) and think twice before posting something that others will 
likely find insulting or offensive. The community will function better 
if rancor is avoided.

[1] https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette

cheers,
Allan Mustard
apm-wa

> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 08:29:36 +0200 (CEST)
> From: Mateusz Konieczny<matkoniecz at tutanota.com>
> Cc:talk at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] EG/Doxxing | Re: New moderation team &
> 	etiquette guidelines for talk@ & osmf-talk@ list
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>
> So expressing
> "Anyone who never, ever edited OSM is not my preferred candidate to OSMF board."
> would be also bannable offense?"
>
> or
>
> "I prefer OSMF board candidates who are active mappers with at least several
> edits in last year"?
>
> What about
> "Anyone with fewer than 15 mapping days in their life should not be allowed to
> join OSMF?"
>
> What about people expressing deep confidence what is annoying or problematic
> for mappers and who never ever edited?
>
> Is it also bannable to express it somewhere else?
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