[OSM-talk] EG/Doxxing | Re: New moderation team &, etiquette guidelines for talk@ & osmf-talk@ list

[Mateusz Konieczny]

OK, to clarify my question:https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2022-June/087594.htmlhad some "Hypothetical examples of "edit shaming" might be posts to the talk lists including such verbiage as (...)"
Is following also likely to qualify

"Anyone who never, ever edited OSM is not my preferred candidate to OSMF board."

"I prefer OSMF board candidates who are active mappers with at least several
edits in last year"?

"Anyone with fewer than 15 mapping days in their life should not be allowed to
join OSMF?"

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Lets assume that someone took offence specifically to that.

Would moderators treat it as "edit shaming" taking positions like above?

And why comment like
"Anyone with fewer than 5,000 changesets should not be allowed to run for the OSMF board."
is supposed to be edit shaming while demanding/proposing some minimal
mapping activity to be OSMF member is fine?

I admit that I am quite confused what is forbidden and allowed by this rule,
especially as "effort to humiliate or discourage" is banned by other rules already.


10 cze 2022, 14:56 od allan.mustard at osmfoundation.org:

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> You pose two questions, whether the examples you offer might be      bannable offenses, and whether expressing offensive opinions in      other fora could result in a ban.
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> As to the first question, it would depend on whether another      member of the community took offense to any of these statements      and complained to the moderators, or whether the statements cross      the line into "aggressive or abusive behaviour". In the latter      case, the moderators are specifically charged by the Foundation      with "calm[ing] down" or "block[ing]" such community members,      proactively.[1]  My suggestion to you, and to everyone, is that      before posting something, you reflect on whether your comment will      unduly offend somebody else in the community as well as whether      the language you choose will achieve your goal (making a point and      persuading the rest of community to your point of view) or merely      evoke negative reactions. 
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> Further to the first question, permanent banning is an extreme      act and is the final penalty after all other efforts to curb bad      behaviour have been exhausted. The Etiquette Guidelines make this      clear:
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>> The>>  >> moderators <https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Mailing_lists&action=edit&redlink=1>>>  >> for the mailing lists          will follow the guidelines below. For each infraction an          individual will be met with the following responses. Which          gradually become more direct up to the point where members may          be blocked.
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>> Send polite mail to individual
>> Robust mail outlining what the issue is
>> Temporary block of 24 hours
>> 2nd block for one week with mediation with blocked            individual
>> 3rd block, discussion between moderators about final block            [1]
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> In other words, if somebody gets banned, that somebody will have      had ample warning that the behaviour is offensive and needs to be      changed.
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> As to the second question, the moderators are specifically      charged with moderating discourse on the talk and osmf-talk lists.      The moderators have no charge to deal with discourse in other      fora. That said, I might remind you that abusive or aggressive      rhetoric rarely accomplishes anything other than evoking negative      emotions that are not conducive to engendering support for your      point of view. In short, watch your tongue (keyboard) and think      twice before posting something that others will likely find      insulting or offensive. The community will function better if      rancor is avoided.
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> cheers,
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>> Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 08:29:36 +0200 (CEST)From: Mateusz Konieczny >> <matkoniecz at tutanota.com> <mailto:matkoniecz at tutanota.com>>> Cc: >> talk at openstreetmap.org>> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] EG/Doxxing | Re: New moderation team &	etiquette guidelines for talk@ & osmf-talk@ listMessage-ID: >> <N4BIRl8--3-2 at tutanota.com> <mailto:N4BIRl8--3-2 at tutanota.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"So expressing"Anyone who never, ever edited OSM is not my preferred candidate to OSMF board."would be also bannable offense?"or "I prefer OSMF board candidates who are active mappers with at least severaledits in last year"?What about"Anyone with fewer than 15 mapping days in their life should not be allowed tojoin OSMF?"What about people expressing deep confidence what is annoying or problematicfor mappers and who never ever edited?Is it also bannable to express it somewhere else?
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