[OSM-talk] OSM Help Ukraine Map

[Jo]

The point is that Pont Neuf is not known as New Bridge in an English
context.

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:22 AM Colin Smale <colin.smale at xs4all.nl> wrote:

>
> > On 03/11/2022 1:57 AM Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 3/11/22 00:15, yo paseopor wrote:
> > > a Mapcomplete theme for Ukrainian -name:uk- "translations" of
> > > everything with a name
> >
> > A few comments on name tags:
> >
> > The "name:xx" tags are not there for translations - they are there to
> > record names that things have in different languages.
> >
> > For example, "Pont Neuf" in Paris translates as "New Bridge", but the
> > English name for this bridge is still "Pont Neuf". No speaker of English
> > would say they've been to Paris and they saw the "New Bridge". Anyone,
> > well-meaning as they may be, adding a "name:en=Pont Neuf" to that bridge
> > damages OSM and makes it the laughing stock of those with actual
> > knowledge of the issue.
>
> You are saying there is an assumption that name:xx === name unless
> otherwise specified?
>
> Firstly name=* is often synthesised out of different languages (in
> multilingual areas). So we cannot rely on that to be the default value for
> any name:xx. We have no way of saying that a specific language variant
> (e.g. name:fr in your example) should be considered default for these
> purposes.
>
> Secondly although we often work with implicit defaults (such as oneway=no,
> access=yes) there always exists a way of tagging that explicitly. It is
> (rightly) "frowned upon" to use this tagging redundantly on a wide scale,
> but its existence is an essential tool to remove potential ambiguities that
> may occur.
>
> I therefore disagree with your comments about "name:en=Pont Neuf" damaging
> OSM and making it the laughing stock. If that is what it is known as in an
> English-language context, then that is how it should be tagged.
>
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