[OSM-talk] OSM Help Ukraine Map

[Colin Smale]

> On 03/11/2022 8:50 AM Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> The point is that Pont Neuf is not known as New Bridge in an English context.
> 
Correct, it's known as Pont Neuf. I don't believe I suggested otherwise?

My point is that I fundamentally disagree with Frederiks statements that explicitly tagging "name:en=Pont Neuf" would not only be wrong, but tantamount to "bringing OSM into disrepute". It is neither.


> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 8:22 AM Colin Smale <colin.smale at xs4all.nl mailto:colin.smale at xs4all.nl > wrote:
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> > > On 03/11/2022 1:57 AM Frederik Ramm <frederik at remote.org mailto:frederik at remote.org > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On 3/11/22 00:15, yo paseopor wrote:
> > > > a Mapcomplete theme for Ukrainian -name:uk- "translations" of
> > > > everything with a name
> > >
> > > A few comments on name tags:
> > >
> > > The "name:xx" tags are not there for translations - they are there to
> > > record names that things have in different languages.
> > >
> > > For example, "Pont Neuf" in Paris translates as "New Bridge", but the
> > > English name for this bridge is still "Pont Neuf". No speaker of English
> > > would say they've been to Paris and they saw the "New Bridge". Anyone,
> > > well-meaning as they may be, adding a "name:en=Pont Neuf" to that bridge
> > > damages OSM and makes it the laughing stock of those with actual
> > > knowledge of the issue.
> > 
> > You are saying there is an assumption that name:xx === name unless otherwise specified?
> > 
> > Firstly name=* is often synthesised out of different languages (in multilingual areas). So we cannot rely on that to be the default value for any name:xx. We have no way of saying that a specific language variant (e.g. name:fr in your example) should be considered default for these purposes.
> > 
> > Secondly although we often work with implicit defaults (such as oneway=no, access=yes) there always exists a way of tagging that explicitly. It is (rightly) "frowned upon" to use this tagging redundantly on a wide scale, but its existence is an essential tool to remove potential ambiguities that may occur.
> > 
> > I therefore disagree with your comments about "name:en=Pont Neuf" damaging OSM and making it the laughing stock. If that is what it is known as in an English-language context, then that is how it should be tagged.
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