[OSM-talk] Dispute over note closure

[Warin]

I tend to use the 'comment' tag. I use it to pass thoughts, ideas on to 
others who are mapping there.
Both tags of 'note' and 'fixme' tend to attract people out to 'fix 
things' rather than those with a real interest in the area. Hummm .. 
having said that I do tend to 'fix things' using OSMInspector so I 
cannot claim too high a moral ground.


On 28/10/24 04:29, Andy Townsend wrote:
> On 27/10/2024 12:50, Andy Mabbett wrote:
>> The note has been closed again.
>>
>>
> Indeed it has, by someone not previously involved.  I suspect that 
> this might be because this week's issue of WeeklyOSM 
> https://weeklyosm.eu/archives/17560 mentioned it (see also 
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/weeklyosm-team-a-thread/1961 for 
> a more general link to that).
>
> I don't think that there is much more to add that has already been 
> said, especially Greg's "The two parties aren't really communicating 
> well" at 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2024-October/088593.html 
> .  You have explained more on this mailing list than on the note 
> itself why you think that the note should remain open; @Koreller did 
> much the same on Discord (where I said much the same to them as other 
> people have said to you on this list).
>
> Often, OSM notes can be left for local mappers to follow up.  In this 
> case the note is in North Korea,  so we have to assume that that is 
> not going to happen.  Some people obsessively create notes for "things 
> that could perhaps be better mapped" and some obsessively close notes 
> as part of their workflow; neither approach is helpful if taken to the 
> extreme.  In this case North Korea has very few open notes: 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/192734#map=8/39.571/126.520&layers=HN 
> so I suspect that someone in the second category is perhaps active there.
>
> Given the lack of local mappers I'd actually suggest that trying to 
> communicate by OSM notes isn't a great idea here*.  Instead I'd 
> suggest that everyone uses a forum thread, perhaps continuing either 
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/ordered-and-disordered-cemeteries-in-north-korea-mapping-them-to-be-able-to-distinguish-them/102074 
> or 
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/your-views-on-my-contribution-guide-on-north-korea/94109 
> - both of which seem to be exactly on topic and already involve the 
> person who closed the note in the first place.
>
> There, I'd suggest talking through what information you all have and 
> what sources are available for use within OSM, and trying to discuss 
> whether there might be any others in the latter category that might be 
> used to help resolve things.  A note that says "we know that this is 
> incomplete but don't have information available to complete it" isn't 
> actionable.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Yet another Andy
>
> * I can somewhat understand the wish for better notes functionality 
> mentioned earlier in the thread, but that won't help if two people 
> basically don't want to talk to each other.
>
>
>
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