[OSM-dev] Release openstreetmap-carto v2.25.0

SomeoneElse lists at atownsend.org.uk
Fri Dec 12 18:59:37 UTC 2014

On 12/12/2014 16:32, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
> > No matter how you put it the style still has a strong European
> > and even British focus which is an issue with OSM being an
> > international project IMO.
> And also focus toward major cities. There is an obvious fix - people
> outside UK/Europe/major cities making PRs, submitting issues about
> problems that nobody reported before and commenting on issue tracker
> (it is much easier to change something as PR is active, useful
> reports/comments are also helpful).

<flippant mode>
There's one obvious reason why people don't suggest changes - they'd 
just get rejected (1).
</flippant mode>

The fact that changes that don't go in the general "direction of travel" 
(2) of the style get rejected isn't a problem in itself - one map style 
can't (to misquote the famous stage direction) "render everything louder 
than everything else".  That's why different maps for different purposes 
have different styles (both inside and outside of OSM).  It's clear that 
the people working on the style have a "vision" of what the map should 
be like (personally I'd suggest "one that looks nice at the expense of 
some functionality (3)"), and that's a perfectly valid goal - but it's 
not everybody's.  It is, of course entirely understandable that people 
who are contributing time and effort do so in a way that "scratches a 
personal itch".

Personally I'd prefer it if the "direction of travel" of the style was 
defined more clearly than in individual github comments, but it makes 
sense that there is one - I don't believe that you can have a "good 
design by committee" and even though I fundamentally disagree with the 
logic behind #542 and #747 I agree that someone, somewhere has to make a 
decision that "_this_ is the kind of map we're trying to be; _this_ is 
the sort of information that we're trying to show and _these_ are the 
places that it'll be useful".

So maybe what we need to do is "not start from here".  It's already 
easier than ever to set up a small tile server (4) - out of the box that 
one's using osm-bright but other styles are available (5). TileMill's 
crash course is pretty good (6), and it's even easier to not even bother 
with that at all and just postprocess the data (7) and use some "good 
enough" style.  It's even fairly simple to plug your tiles into the OSM 
website (8) if you want to do that.  Someone somewhere may come up with 
map style that works a really well with tea plantations in China - 
people to whom that's useful should be able to use that.  People who 
want to contribute to and use openstreetmap-carto can do that too.

Rather than say "let everyone contribute to the standard map style" why 
not say "let everyone create their own map style" - let a thousand 
flowers bloom!


Andy Townsend

1) https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/641 , see 
also discussion at 
for the problem.

2) https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/747 and 



(stolen from a post of Zverik's on the Russian forum)

6) https://www.mapbox.com/tilemill/docs/crashcourse/introduction/

7) https://github.com/openstreetmap/osm2pgsql/blob/master/docs/lua.md


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