[diversity-talk] The recent unpleasantness

[Clifford Snow]

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com> wrote:

> On 12/2/2014 3:22 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
>> Your justification for this seems to be behaviour outside of this list
>> and/or, and this is the bit I take particular offense with,
>>
>> "The private responses to me have generally expressed that is part of a
>> pattern of behavior, and not an isolated incident."
>>
>> Which, in essence, means nothing less than people having emailed you in
>> private and influenced your decision by telling you bad things about
>> Serge.
>>
>> I've been on the unpleasant end of moderation myself and I can tell you
>> that there's few things more hurtful than having a "secret court"
>> against you in which some people get the chance to whisper something in
>> the moderator's ear, and the moderator ends up partly justifying their
>> decision by what he's been told.
>>
> Given that this decision involves an outcome far exceeding previous
> precedents[1] based on allegations he was not given a chance to respond to
> and involved activities outside the scope of the OSMF, I would strongly
> encourage Serge to raise the moderator action to the appropriate body as
> unreasonable. The appropriate body is probably the CWG.
>
> It should also be noted that moderator action cannot be justified as
> enforcing a code of conduct when that code of conduct has not been adopted
> with the consensus of the list, list-wide consensus, a directive from a WG
> responsible, or a board decision. A moderator could use such a code of
> conduct as a guide to coming to a decision, but the decision must be
> justified in of itself.



Frederik and Paul,
Am I to understand that felt Serge's comments were acceptable behavior? I
was expecting to find that you at least didn't condone it. but sadly no
where did you say Serge's comments were unacceptable. I understand wanting
to go to bat for Serge. He is a big contributor to OSM. But there needs to
be consequences for our actions. I don't think what he did is excusable.
Personally I would like to see Serge apologize to Alyssa and the community.
We need help understanding neurodiversity, Serge can help.

Kai Krueger, Jo Walsh, Melelani Sax-Barnett, Alan McConchie and others all
responded with well crafted messages on this issue. Darrell even offered a
process for Serge to appeal his decision.

Clifford Snow


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