[diversity-talk] The recent unpleasantness

[Randal Hale]

Here's a thought - why don't you guys ask Alyssa what she thinks?

Could be a nice way to welcome her back.

Randy


On 12/02/2014 08:04 PM, Clifford Snow wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Paul Norman <penorman at mac.com 
> <mailto:penorman at mac.com>> wrote:
>
>     On 12/2/2014 3:22 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
>
>         Your justification for this seems to be behaviour outside of
>         this list
>         and/or, and this is the bit I take particular offense with,
>
>         "The private responses to me have generally expressed that is
>         part of a
>         pattern of behavior, and not an isolated incident."
>
>         Which, in essence, means nothing less than people having
>         emailed you in
>         private and influenced your decision by telling you bad things
>         about Serge.
>
>         I've been on the unpleasant end of moderation myself and I can
>         tell you
>         that there's few things more hurtful than having a "secret court"
>         against you in which some people get the chance to whisper
>         something in
>         the moderator's ear, and the moderator ends up partly
>         justifying their
>         decision by what he's been told.
>
>     Given that this decision involves an outcome far exceeding
>     previous precedents[1] based on allegations he was not given a
>     chance to respond to and involved activities outside the scope of
>     the OSMF, I would strongly encourage Serge to raise the moderator
>     action to the appropriate body as unreasonable. The appropriate
>     body is probably the CWG.
>
>     It should also be noted that moderator action cannot be justified
>     as enforcing a code of conduct when that code of conduct has not
>     been adopted with the consensus of the list, list-wide consensus,
>     a directive from a WG responsible, or a board decision. A
>     moderator could use such a code of conduct as a guide to coming to
>     a decision, but the decision must be justified in of itself.
>
>
>
> Frederik and Paul,
> Am I to understand that felt Serge's comments were acceptable 
> behavior? I was expecting to find that you at least didn't condone it. 
> but sadly no where did you say Serge's comments were unacceptable. I 
> understand wanting to go to bat for Serge. He is a big contributor to 
> OSM. But there needs to be consequences for our actions. I don't think 
> what he did is excusable. Personally I would like to see Serge 
> apologize to Alyssa and the community. We need help understanding 
> neurodiversity, Serge can help.
>
> Kai Krueger, Jo Walsh, Melelani Sax-Barnett, Alan McConchie and others 
> all responded with well crafted messages on this issue. Darrell even 
> offered a process for Serge to appeal his decision.
>
> Clifford Snow
>
>
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