[Historic] welcome Historic OpenStreetMap, introductions

Thu Aug 23 17:03:51 BST 2012

Hi Dan, oldsf.org is great. One thing I imagine we could do here is figure out a way for the street base map of SF to change along with the POI and media.

* Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron

>________________________________
> From: Dan Vanderkam <danvdk at gmail.com>
>To: Mikel Maron <mikel_maron at yahoo.com> 
>Cc: Jeff Meyer <jeff at gwhat.org>; "historic at openstreetmap.org" <historic at openstreetmap.org> 
>Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 10:47 AM
>Subject: Re: [Historic] welcome Historic OpenStreetMap, introductions
> 
>Hey all, I'm Dan! I'm currently a software engineer at Google NYC, but
>my historical mapping interests fall squarely in the "personal
>projects" realm. My "claim to fame" there is that I built & released
>oldsf.org last year. I had a great time building it and have been
>looking for more historical mapping projects ever since.
>
>I put together a "history of the world" demo recently and started
>shopping it around. (I sent out a link in an email a few minutes ago.)
>This led me to Jeff, and hence this group.
>
>My interest is in creating a free & open historical geo database. I
>want to build the tools and the community which allow this to grow. I
>imagine this as a site like wikipedia or OSM, but for historical
>mapping. I want a place where people can create the "wikiprojects" of
>historical maps.
>
>  - Dan
>
>On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 5:38 PM, Mikel Maron <mikel_maron at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Jeff
>>
>> Lots of good prior-art to dig through. A few more I'd throw in are Stamen's
>> Trulia Hindsight http://stamen.com/clients/trulia (among the most astounding
>> things I've seen on the internet ever, unfortunately down right now). One of
>> my own old attempts at working with timely map data
>> http://worldkit.org/wmstimenav/. And for an idea why OSM and time data don't
>> work out that great, back again to Stamen with Burning Map from yesterday
>> http://maps.stamen.com/burningmap/#15/40.7763/-119.2074
>>
>> Frankie Roberto pretty much nailed it 3 years, how OSM and history don't and
>> could possibly interact. Slides are worth perusing for sure.
>> http://www.slideshare.net/frankieroberto/mapp-history-on-open-street-map
>>
>> We've already jumped to 16 members on this discussion list. Who are all of
>> you?
>>
>> Mikel
>>
>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jeff Meyer <jeff at gwhat.org>
>> To: "historic at openstreetmap.org" <historic at openstreetmap.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 1:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Historic] welcome Historic OpenStreetMap, introductions
>>
>> Hi Mikel -
>>
>> Thanks for putting this together!
>>
>> I'm Jeff. <chorus>Hi, Jeff!</chorus> - my primary interest in improving the
>> quality and availability of digital map resources for improving history and
>> geography education in schools. I'm based in Seattle and am working (when
>> I'm not working to support this habit) on a variety of history &
>> mapping-related projects.
>>
>> OSM's infrastructure seems like a great foundation for building a historic
>> mapping reference base for all the points you've mentioned. I'm not sure of
>> a need to make OSM more history-aware, but that's a wholly separate
>> discussion topic. What about a meeting at OSM/SOTMNA in Portland?
>>
>> Per your request, here are some other historic mapping efforts that I think
>> should be included in any discussion of this sort:
>> General-purpose / platform history mapping tools:
>> - MapStory - www.mapstory.com - OpenLayers-based historic mapping
>> infrastructure
>>
>> Some sites that could use Historic OSM-type data (or vice versa):
>> - Big History - www.bighistoryproject.com
>> - LookBackMaps - www.lookbackmaps.net (part of HistoryPin -
>> www.historypin.com)
>> - Pastmapper - www.pastmapper.com
>> - Pleiades - pleiades.stoa.org
>> - Old Oakland - www.teczno.com/old-oakland
>> - OldSF - oldsf.org
>> - OmnesViae: Roman Route Planner - www.omnesviae.org
>> - ORBIS: Roman World Geospatial - orbis.stanford.edu
>> - Ushahidi - ushahidi.com
>> - visualeyes - www.viseyes.org
>> - Visualizing Emancipation - dsl.richmond.edu/emancipation
>>
>> There's also a digital storytelling effort out of UVa, the name is escaping
>> me.
>>
>> Jeff Meyer
>> Global World History Atlas
>> www.gwhat.org
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 9:08 AM, Mikel Maron <mikel_maron at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> A long time coming (though not at all approaching the time ranges we'll be
>> dealing with) here's the OSM Historic list.
>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/historic
>>
>> I wrote up this description for what this list is about. It's not the finest
>> crafted bit of text in the world, and you may even disagree with it, but
>> here's my best conception of what we're about here. We can refine.
>>
>> This may now be the moment for OpenHistoricalMap. There's a critical mass of
>> interest in exploring open collaboration of historic geodata.
>>
>> It makes a good deal of sense to approach this from the experience of
>> OpenStreetMap. An open database and API, & free tagging with community
>> discussion is a proven model for collaboration among a diverse set of uses.
>> The software ecosystem offers much to build off: the API, renderer, editors,
>> gazateer...
>>
>> Question for anyone who's looked at this closely is how tightly linked into
>> OSM.org should this be. As is, you can easily specify time delimited tags
>> (start_date=*, end_date=*), but the OSM tool chain does not have in-built
>> awareness for them. For an example of the problem, here's the situation for
>> multiple years of Burning Man (http://osm.org/go/Tc4Ki1bp-). Should OSM.org
>> itself become time-aware, or rather, should OSM.org continue to represent
>> only the "present moment"? No matter the answer, there's one good and
>> feasible approach here to the broader question, and in any case, OHM will
>> benefit.
>>
>>
>> There's a lot to talk about, and there's a lot to experiment with. First,
>> let's convene. A few of us have already joined the list. Feel free to extend
>> the invite to other folks interested in this topic. And please do _introduce
>> yourself_ and how you're interested in historic mapping.
>>
>> As for doing, I had in mind...
>>
>> * Build a few solid example target use cases for OHM. A historic NYC
>> gazateer. Mapping before and after effect of new oil industry infrastructure
>> in Tanzania. Visualize Burning Man over the years.
>> * Set up software infrastructure to experiment, including custom, time
>> sensitive render, filters for editing in JOSM, etc.
>> * Hash things out and do brilliant stuff.
>>
>> Also curious to hear about other projects out there that overlap, and what
>> kind of data is out there.
>>
>> Welcome!
>>
>> Mikel
>>
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