[OHM] Should we map former endonyms?

[Christian Quest]

2014-03-20 9:48 GMT+01:00 Lester Caine <lester at lsces.co.uk>:

> Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
>> Do the notability guidelines of Wikimedia allow storing only important
>>> places?
>>>
>>
>> because the consequence of using wikidata will be to have wikidata
>> objects not only for places but also for minor streets and squares as soon
>> as they change name (most of these will not have Wikipedia articles)
>>
>
> I'd go a step beyond that and say that while targeting historic data
> wikidata object identities are probably as useless as OSM objects.
>
> None of these identities provide for a time element to a search?
>
> What needs to be created is an extension to something like Nominatim or
> GeoNames but with a time related axis.
>
> An simple example of information that has been well mapped in the last 10
> years is 'Ashchurch Parish Council'. This existed in it's previous format
> until 1st April 2008 when it was broken up and while an area of housing
> moved from Ashchurch to an adjoining Parish, the remaining area is now two
> Parishes - Ashchurch Rural and Northway.
>
> Currently buried in OSM data is the original area, with it's relation to
> the earlier name hierarchy, but there is no simple mechanism to extract
> this data. Personally I would still like to see a proper use of start and
> end dates directly in the OSM data and simply remove the 'concept' of
> delete for data that HAS simply evolved, but in the absence of that, the
> very minimum OHM needs to provide is access to that historic data and the
> ability to improve on it where OSM simply blocks.
>
> 'former endonyms' are simply a facet of history which OSM processes simply
> deletes. Only where those endonyms have an actual relevance today do they
> fit in some peoples guide lines for current OSM data? That they need to be
> mapped is a given, just where is the data stored?



In january I posted on the historic mailing list about a new open project
I'd like to launch, but got no feedback.

https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/historic/2014-January/000369.html

It is not an extension to OSM, but really a new project that could store
"what/when/where" data (OSM is about what/where), making it some kind of
time-space database.
Historic data could be stored and query, as well as (near) real-time
events, schedules, forecasts.

Project name (so far): OpenEventDatabase

-- 
Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France
Conférence "State Of The Map" France du 4 au 6 avril à
Paris<http://openstreetmap.fr/sotmfr>
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